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davek said:
I know all the arguments mate, we've been through them and they're all wrong...best one I heard was: "He's got to pay the leccy bill like us. He needed to leave".

BTW, that Moyes interview: Moyesie saying it'd be disrespectful to Wigan to talk about Rodellaga...but it's ok to fill your boots not paying a fee to a club on the canvas. Excellent Moyesie lad.
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are you saying he didnt take that wage cut? coz by all accounts him and a few others agreed to help Rangers by having their wages cut by a whopping 75%. thats a very honest and honourable thing to do. naismith mightve been able to screw them at that time but chose not to, maybe now he has had enough. if EFC were in the same position i would be ranting at the board for their incompetence/idiocy, not singling out players who had done their utmost to ease the situation before it went off big time. Davek, i dont expect you to change your mind or even reply, youre sticking to principles that only exist in your head.
 
Hardly Naismiths fault that the owners of Rangers ****ed it all up. He is a human being like me and you, needs to make a living somehow ffs.
 
Didn't we sell a player to Rangers and then they benched him before he hit X amount of games that would trigger another payment to Everton? Turnabout is fair play.
 

davek said:
I know all the arguments mate, we've been through them and they're all wrong...best one I heard was: "He's got to pay the leccy bill like us. He needed to leave".

BTW, that Moyes interview: Moyesie saying it'd be disrespectful to Wigan to talk about Rodellaga...but it's ok to fill your boots not paying a fee to a club on the canvas. Excellent Moyesie lad.
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Your morality argument is based around the transfer fee that Rangers could have received. Consider the hypothetical and not too unrealistic situation that buying clubs would offer a drastically reduced price aiming to take advantage of the situation. Charles Green is a stubborn man who would probably demand that he is paid SPL prices for his SPL players and there is no guarantee that any clubs would be willing to pay his price. In your loyalty situation, the players would not request a transfer thus when the club comes to sell them they have to pay a fairly hefty loyalty bonus which reduces the profitability of the transfer fee. Furthermore, during these transfer negotiations the club is paying these players their SPL wages as the contracts have to be transferred exactly. The longer transfers draw out, the more the club pays on their wages which could hit the club's finances greatly as they are not receiving season ticket income, have no pre-season fixtures to make money from and sponsorship/commercial/tv agreements are severed due to the situation. It is not as simple economically as saying they would get a transfer 'transfer fee'. It could go either way, and the players could end up hindering the club by transferring their contracts. I accept that a fire sale could occur but I think from reading the situation that this would only happen if Green was earning money out of it.

Meanwhile, the players, who for their own careers (especially those with international credentials) need to be playing in top quality leagues, are growing ever more disgruntled at the club's new owners' determination to grab every penny of value from their transfers. This is compounded by Green's legal threats and the lack of communication leading to further unease and distrust. Would you want this situation?

I can personally see the reasoning behind the players' decisions. I agree that there is some sense of loyalty to a club but it is not as simple as you would like to make out.
 
davek said:
I know all the arguments mate, we've been through them and they're all wrong...best one I heard was: "He's got to pay the leccy bill like us. He needed to leave".

BTW, that Moyes interview: Moyesie saying it'd be disrespectful to Wigan to talk about Rodellaga...but it's ok to fill your boots not paying a fee to a club on the canvas. Excellent Moyesie lad.
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You're an idiot. i can't believe that any Evertonian could find fault or be unhappy with the signing of player who will hopefully contribute to the first team, on a free transfer.

If you're so concerned about poor old Rangers then why don't you take your support elsewhere and support the Newco, I'm sure they need it more than we do.
 

Scottish Toffee said:
Your morality argument is based around the transfer fee that Rangers could have received. Consider the hypothetical and not too unrealistic situation that buying clubs would offer a drastically reduced price aiming to take advantage of the situation. Charles Green is a stubborn man who would probably demand that he is paid SPL prices for his SPL players and there is no guarantee that any clubs would be willing to pay his price. In your loyalty situation, the players would not request a transfer thus when the club comes to sell them they have to pay a fairly hefty loyalty bonus which reduces the profitability of the transfer fee. Furthermore, during these transfer negotiations the club is paying these players their SPL wages as the contracts have to be transferred exactly. The longer transfers draw out, the more the club pays on their wages which could hit the club's finances greatly as they are not receiving season ticket income, have no pre-season fixtures to make money from and sponsorship/commercial/tv agreements are severed due to the situation. It is not as simple economically as saying they would get a transfer 'transfer fee'. It could go either way, and the players could end up hindering the club by transferring their contracts. I accept that a fire sale could occur but I think from reading the situation that this would only happen if Green was earning money out of it.

Meanwhile, the players, who for their own careers (especially those with international credentials) need to be playing in top quality leagues, are growing ever more disgruntled at the club's new owners' determination to grab every penny of value from their transfers. This is compounded by Green's legal threats and the lack of communication leading to further unease and distrust. Would you want this situation?

I can personally see the reasoning behind the players' decisions. I agree that there is some sense of loyalty to a club but it is not as simple as you would like to make out.
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Go and read Lee McCulloch's statement and tell me it isn't all a matter of 'you take the good times and you take the bad times'. It doesn't necessarliy follow that players should look after number one all of the time. Maybe that's it, in fact, Thatchers Children would probably see this as a simple case of rational economic decision making that laughs in the face of loyalty.

As I've said before: that's all fair enough - all this 'we did ok, it's a great new free signing, 'no brainer' etc etc. That's fine. Just dont bother piping up about Nick Barmby in the future though. And we'll see in the not too distant future when Everton have another player leave how far 'the morality argument' is a voice in the wilderness.

Tick tock.
 
davek said:
Go and read Lee McCulloch's statement and tell me it isn't all a matter of 'you take the good times and you take the bad times'. It doesn't necessarliy follow that players should look after number one all of the time. Maybe that's it, in fact, Thatchers Children would probably see this as a simple case of rational economic decision making that laughs in the face of loyalty.

As I've said before: that's all fair enough - all this 'we did ok, it's a great new free signing, 'no brainer' etc etc. That's fine. Just dont bother piping up about Nick Barmby in the future though. And we'll see in the not too distant future when Everton have another player leave how far 'the morality argument' is a voice in the wilderness.

Tick tock.
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Happens at every club and every club is guilty of it.
Nature of the beast.
We move on and hope it is in our favor more often than not.
 

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