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Just been on Sky News and noticed a story about the Queens honours list. One has been given to Aslie Pitter, who founded the world's most successful gay-only (as far as I can tell) football team, Stonewall FC.

Whilst I think it's great that the effort is being made at the grassroots level to rid the plague of homophobia on football pitches up and down the country, I have to admit I was slightly shocked and surprised at the fact a gay-only football club actually existed!

In the UK as we stand, there's very, very few groups that are allowed to be exclusionist based on the grounds of sexuality, race, religion etc. I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine a "straight only" active policy at a football club going on without massive hatred from the media.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to encourage the inclusion of gays at every club rather than encourage the introduction of gay-only clubs?!
 


seen the name (and the fact they are gay) ages ago but never really thought about it. but when you put it like that it is a strange idea, it does seem to fly in the face of equality laws if they are gay-only.
 
reverse prejudice, like the MOBO awards, except being prejudiced against a white anglo-saxon heterosexual male who doesn't happen to be muslim is perfectly acceptable in todays world, and not considered to be wrong whatsoever.
 
It's just an example of positive discrimination or affirmative action.

"Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, sex or national origin"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#cite_note-The_Federal_Register-0 into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group at the expense of a majority group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination."

Fair enough really.
 
Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
reverse prejudice, like the MOBO awards, except being prejudiced against a white anglo-saxon heterosexual male who doesn't happen to be muslim is perfectly acceptable in todays world, and not considered to be wrong whatsoever.
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Yeah it's just odd.

I'm all for inclusion in every area on the grounds of sexuality, as it's just bonkers to discriminate on those grounds. I'm actually against multi-culturalism based on the fact it's failed dismally and I believe people should be able to live how they want, but not where they want - but that's just me. Gender and sexuality exclusion makes no sense to me at all though.

It just seems that gays are shooting themselves firmly in the foot with a policy of a gay only team.
 

heatmeiser said:
It's just an example of positive discrimination or affirmative action.

"Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, sex or national origin"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#cite_note-The_Federal_Register-0 into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group at the expense of a majority group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination."

Fair enough really.
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Well, not really.

Let's put it this way - I have absolutely no problem with homosexuality. Say I was a really good right winger, easily of the quality to benefit that side. I'd be discriminated against playing for Stonewall FC on the grounds that I'm NOT gay, whilst there's no rule in place for any football side anywhere else in this country to consciously discriminate against a player on the grounds that they ARE gay.

I wonder what the courts would make of the above scenario actually, would be fascinating from a legal perspective.
 
Tubey said:
Just been on Sky News and noticed a story about the Queens honours list. One has been given to Aslie Pitter, who founded the world's most successful gay-only (as far as I can tell) football team, Stonewall FC.

Whilst I think it's great that the effort is being made at the grassroots level to rid the plague of homophobia on football pitches up and down the country, I have to admit I was slightly shocked and surprised at the fact a gay-only football club actually existed!

In the UK as we stand, there's very, very few groups that are allowed to be exclusionist based on the grounds of sexuality, race, religion etc. I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine a "straight only" active policy at a football club going on without massive hatred from the media.

Wouldn't it be a better idea to encourage the inclusion of gays at every club rather than encourage the introduction of gay-only clubs?!
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I understand what you mean mate.

This is why I don't listen to 1xtra mate...

"The Home of Black Music!!!". Thats racist in my eyes. Primarily because if I started a station "The Home Of White Music"..i'd be branded racist.

Also lots of the music on 1xtra is produced or performed by White people, as was much of the founding garage, house, dub step, and rap genres....so why bring colour into it at all if you want to beat small minded racism???

It's like 100+ years of oppression against a different race is my fault since I was born in 1984.

I don't see colour. I just see people.

Political correctness gone too far mate...

I've never heard fans shouting homosexual abuse at players ever. But if it goes on within the clubs, it should be addressed that way. Not by forming a 'Gay only' team where you're not allowed in if you're straight. That means you're discriminated against for being Straight?

Surely thats the pot calling the kettle black????
 
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Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian said:
reverse prejudice, like the MOBO awards, except being prejudiced against a white anglo-saxon heterosexual male who doesn't happen to be muslim is perfectly acceptable in todays world, and not considered to be wrong whatsoever.
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BRITS= big music event, most winners are white with a few darkies thrown in. MOBOs= Big music event, most winners are black with a few pale faces thrown in.

Spot the difference?

Tubey said:
Yeah it's just odd.

I'm all for inclusion in every area on the grounds of sexuality, as it's just bonkers to discriminate on those grounds. I'm actually against multi-culturalism based on the fact it's failed dismally and I believe people should be able to live how they want, but not where they want - but that's just me. Gender and sexuality exclusion makes no sense to me at all though.

It just seems that gays are shooting themselves firmly in the foot with a policy of a gay only team.
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Oh and I don't like slavery or colonialism which gave rise to "multiculturalism" as British subjects came to the so called motherland. A bit of history (not just for our club) is always a useful thing to be aware of.

I could also use the rise of the Black churches as an example of why a minority group might want to form their own grouping.

I think its called discrimination, attacks, fear and loathing. I fully understand why they would want to form a team.

..and that famous term "them" again. So all gays would support this team eh?

heatmeiser said:
It's just an example of positive discrimination or affirmative action.

"Affirmative action refers to policies that take factors including "race, color, religion, sex or national origin"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action#cite_note-The_Federal_Register-0 into consideration in order to benefit an underrepresented group at the expense of a majority group, usually as a means to counter the effects of a history of discrimination."

Fair enough really.
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Oh, thank god there is someone on this forum who gets it.
 

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