Successfull English Coach's

[monty]

Ok Monty, let me ask you this question.

Who would you appoint? And why?

Because I am trying to think of who else could do the job, not should do the job, but could.

Its also worth noting that Spanish clubs are notoriously inpatient and don't tolerate any kind of unsubordination. Benitez would have been fired by now.

I understand your concerns, but at this current moment in time, there is no English manager good enough to take the job. Apart from perhaps Redknapp, but he's clearly not got the clean record to do the job, and that's by his own admission.

I would certainly have considered Alardyce, Redknapp, Curbishley, Laws and Jewel, until we do this absolutely waste of bloody money will go on. They only appointed the poodle Mclaren because he was a yes man.

Lets put it this way how hard a bloody job is it. Training can't include telling players how to kick a ball can it, they only see them evey 3 or 4 months. So what does he do in the meantime, watch games and pick men, arduous that is, being treated like Royalty at every ground in the country. But no we add to that a contact worth more annually than it would to keep the likes of Bury going for a decade, it is immoral.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I would certainly have considered Alardyce, Redknapp, Curbishley, Laws and Jewel, until we do this absolutely waste of bloody money will go on. They only appointed the poodle Mclaren because he was a yes man.

Lets put it this way how hard a bloody job is it. Training can't include telling players how to kick a ball can it, they only see them evey 3 or 4 months. So what does he do in the meantime, watch games and pick men, arduous that is, being treated like Royalty at every ground in the country. But no we add to that a contact worth more annually than it would to keep the likes of Bury going for a decade, it is immoral.

Well by that token players like Yak, Arteta and Cahill are on immoral wages. That's just the nature of the business mate. Is it right? no, but its been a business more than a sport for long enough now, and its never going to revert back to a situation which you would find acceptable.

So do you think those that you have mentioned have more experience and more coaching qualities than Capello?

 

[monty]

Well by that token players like Yak, Arteta and Cahill are on immoral wages. That's just the nature of the business mate. Is it right? no, but its been a business more than a sport for long enough now, and its never going to revert back to a situation which you would find acceptable.

So do you think those that you have mentioned have more experience and more coaching qualities than Capello?[/QUOTE]

At international level they are all the same, ask yourself this, if he is so good why has he never been given the Italian job, nor would he ever get the Italian job by all reports

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Good point. Maybe he has been offered it in the past but never wanted the job. I've no idea to be honest. But what I do know is that he is a winner, and if you look at my stats earlier in the thread you will see the alarming lack of successful English coach's.

Worst case scenario is that we have an underbelly of English coach's learning their trade with the Italians.

 

[monty]

Good point. Maybe he has been offered it in the past but never wanted the job. I've no idea to be honest. But what I do know is that he is a winner, and if you look at my stats earlier in the thread you will see the alarming lack of successful English coach's.

Worst case scenario is that we have an underbelly of English coach's learning their trade with the Italians.

That is what was supposed to have happened under Sven. This guy is bring something like five or six backroom staff with him so the chance of that happening is nil. If our FA keep doing this what chance do English managers have , absolutely none.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Its actually only 4.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7145816.stm

The point is, there are no English coach's pulling up trees. People were saying Paul Jewell is a good upcoming England manager. What does he do? he quits Wigan, and joins a side that is going to get relegated.

Why are English managers not being called up into the Top 4 clubs?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course, wasn't saying you were.

I think as a nation we believe we are better than what we are, and we still have rights. But reality is we aren't and we don't.

Sorry, I was asking if you meant how are we doing financially as a nation or as an FA, I didn't think you meant me personally

As a nation our financial performance is pretty much reliant on London. Whilst City bankers are derided they have been the engine of our economy for the past decade as the City has become the leading financial centre in the world. If you take out London then the UK economy hasn't done very well.

Over the past decade, financial services have grown much faster than the economy as a whole, whereas manufacturing has barely grown at all. At the start of this decade, the financial sector—banking and securities, insurance and specialist services like shipbroking—made up 5.5% of national output; by 2004 that share had jumped to 8.3%. Over the same period manufacturing dwindled from 17.9% to 14.1%. The financial sector's expansion has continued apace: by 2006 it made up 9.4% of the economy, according to provisional official estimates.

The recent City-led expansion of finance in Britain has meant that a sector worth almost a tenth of the economy has been responsible for 30% of overall GDP growth over the past three years.

In the past decade Britain's financial sector has contributed about 30% of all corporation-tax revenues. For all the attention devoted to how some escape their fair share of taxes, the taxman has also reaped handsome returns from the City's high fliers, who make up many of the top 1% of earners contributing 22% of income-tax receipts.

That's by the by though. In answer to your question, we are still an important nation as one of the leading economies in the world but obviously we're no longer the imperial power of old.

 

[monty]

Its actually only 4.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/7145816.stm

The point is, there are no English coach's pulling up trees. People were saying Paul Jewell is a good upcoming England manager. What does he do? he quits Wigan, and joins a side that is going to get relegated.

Why are English managers not being called up into the Top 4 clubs?

Surely the main point is Ghost, what the hell does he need four fellow Italians as backroom staff or aren't our own physios, boot boys etc good enough, it is a financial rip off, and I don't blame Capello for saying yes, who wouldn't Barwick and company have a lot to anwser for.

This actually is a chicken and egg situation as far as managers are concerned, we have to break this stupid circle so go for a home manager or it will never happen.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

err, we did. Steve McClaren and it didn't work.

 

[monty]

err, we did. Steve McClaren and it didn't work.

see earlier opinion of that yes man and then tell me something new

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Well at the time it was him or Sam Alardyce. None really filled me with excitement.

But if its a matter of principle for you then are you prepared for the national team to suffer more?

Mind you, I know you feel it has nothing to do with Premier League managers, I believe the reason we have no English coach's good enough for the national team is because there are no Englishman given top jobs in the Premier League. Big clubs are only interested in foreign coach's, so they don't really help the FA, and when the Premier League are at war with the FA over the appointment of Capello then they really should look at appointments within their own league.

 

[monty]

Well at the time it was him or Sam Alardyce. None really filled me with excitement.

But if its a matter of principle for you then are you prepared for the national team to suffer more?

Mind you, I know you feel it has nothing to do with Premier League managers, I believe the reason we have no English coach's good enough for the national team is because there are no Englishman given top jobs in the Premier League. Big clubs are only interested in foreign coach's, so they don't really help the FA, and when the Premier League are at war with the FA over the appointment of Capello then they really should look at appointments within their own league.

No one will want him to succeed more than me Ghost, lets make that clear, but if he fails like Sven what do we do then. Football has to get its act together or it is doomed as the top officials in both bodies are cocking it up good style and the writing has been on the wall for years

 

[GhostOfDixie]

No one will want him to succeed more than me Ghost, lets make that clear, but if he fails like Sven what do we do then. Football has to get its act together or it is doomed as the top officials in both bodies are cocking it up good style and the writing has been on the wall for years

We have to give him a chance though mate.

Think of it like this. Not many people wanted Davie Moyes, not many thought he would do it.

Well he proved many people wrong. I know its a different level, but we have to not make our minds up so soon. Look at what happened with Yak.

 

[chicoazul]

I dont support England but I think the appointment of Capello is the best thing to happen to the national team for a while. He wont suffer fools and has every chance of winning something with the players at his disposal.

Ghost hit it spot on, the arrogance of England that [Poor language removed] them up makes them so unpopular outside of England.

 

[SuitsBlue]

shame he has been appointed by fools/clowns/imbiciles. (delete where appropriate)