Summer Transfer Window 2019

Everton's Transfer Window

  • Good

    Votes: 394 49.0%

  • Alright

    Votes: 329 40.9%

  • Poor

    Votes: 81 10.1%
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catcherintherye said:
I suppose their view would be, the more money you can make from sales the higher the wage bill you can have and the longer you can keep your players.
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Yeah, not to get too far down a rabbit hole, but I suppose if you had a clever financing arm you could probably reinvest the money in a way that would produce a certain amount of cash flows. It would take a LOT of capital and/or leverage, which would carry with it risk. If you have a lull in cranking out players, it could be a problem.
 

Lanolin said:
Not really.

When I say the model doesn't work for us I mean the model of selling your best players and replacing them with clearly inferior ones. Ajax and Celtic do that, they know where they stand, and they don't try to fight it. I'm saying that model doesn't work for us because we're trying to actually improve (or at least I hope we are).
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I don't think it's about buying inferior players, it's more about buying younger players who hopefully develop over time. The issue is the transition period in the middle of those two processes.

Kendall did a similar thing in 1986 when selling Lineker and hoping to improve the team as a result.
 
Tez said:
Which is why it's better to scout a player properly than to go off of stats.

A player has to be *right* for a club and a team. How many players look great in one place but fall apart somewhere else?
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It's gotta be both. Stats - the "right" ones, which is another rather boring discussion - can tell you something about performance and even tendencies. It's good to have objective measures just to confirm or refute what you think you are seeing. But projection, raw talent, character, that takes a lot of information points even beyond purely watching a player.
 
catcherintherye said:
I don't think it's about buying inferior players, it's more about buying younger players who hopefully develop over time. The issue is the transition period in the middle of those two processes.

Kendall did a similar thing in 1986 when selling Lineker and hoping to improve the team as a result.
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Sorry I think we're at cross-purposes.

The point was that Ajax, in an ideal world, would keep hold of their best players now, add to their squad, win the CL and become a superpower again. That is what they would really like to do. You were saying they were happy selling their players, I'm saying they won't be really, they just understand that they don't have much choice. They will therefore replace these players with younger players who are currently inferior but may one day reach the level of the current lot..at which point they'll sell them again. They never reach the promised land because they are in a perpetual state of development. What we did in 86 was very different, that was done to make the team better at the time, Ajax will be very unlikely to do that.
 

catcherintherye said:
I think those teams are far more realistic about their place in the pecking order though, and ultimately are quite happy with that. Monaco have sold around £500 million of player in the last 2 years (700 in the last 4 or 800 in the last 5). I imagine you may see similar figures for Ajax over the next 2/3/4 years.

That is what they are set up to do. I don't think anyone is under any illusion at those clubs that once players become worth a certain value they are moved on for as much money as possible. The challenge is then to reinvest the values in both the infrastructure of the club but also more new younger players.

For Monaco in the short term it has been devastating (they have nearly got relegated but should be ok) and for Ajax it may see them move outside of the top 2-3-4 teams in Holland while the process re-jigs. However for Ajax it will likely allow them to dominate after that for the next 10 years and for Monaco to likely credibly challenge PSG and cement 2nd place for probably at least 5 years.

I don't think they are under any illusion that they can keep those players. The players themselves don't wish to stay and will look to move on.If they were prevented from doing so I sense you get problems.

What I find interesting is we now have someone cut from that exact cloth in Brands. How far will this be an approach for Everton? If someone comes in with a large bid for Richarlinson, will we sell? Will our fans accept it?
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Good post as always, seems to be a debate in a few threads of buying and selling players.

I think another interesting facet is the best young players will want to sign for those clubs for three years or so, knowing that it will give them a platform to move on if they perform.
 
Lanolin said:
Sorry I think we're at cross-purposes.

The point was that Ajax, in an ideal world, would keep hold of their best players now, add to their squad, win the CL and become a superpower again. That is what they would really like to do. You were saying they were happy selling their players, I'm saying they won't be really, they just understand that they don't have much choice. They will therefore replace these players with younger players who are currently inferior but may one day reach the level of the current lot..at which point they'll sell them again. They never reach the promised land because they are in a perpetual state of development. What we did in 86 was very different, that was done to make the team better at the time, Ajax will be very unlikely to do that.
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Well thats true, just as the clubs players like Neres played for would also probably like to have kept him and built a team around him etc.

I think the issue (to a certain degree) is the immediacy of football now. The team will be broken up almost immediately and there is little way they could afford to keep it together.

You are right to say we would face a similar if less pronounced challenge if it were us (and our budget is comparable to Ajax so no theoretical reason why we couldn't) and I suppose we need to be open to what being successful means. You have to maximise fees you can get.

My point though, is Ajax can use the fees they can get (which will be enormous from this team) to build potentially even better teams in the medium term. They have built this team on spends of around 20-30 million a season and sales of around the 70 million mark. Imagine what they could do if they have 3-4 seasons of spending 100 million plus having brought in £500 million + from sales.
 
Neiler said:
Good post as always, seems to be a debate in a few threads of buying and selling players.

I think another interesting facet is the best young players will want to sign for those clubs for three years or so, knowing that it will give them a platform to move on if they perform.
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Yes I think this is fair. There's no way many of the players they've signed go there is the deal is you stay with us for your career.
 
Man U in for Gana. Wouldn’t mind selling for an inflated in league rival team price and getting an easy large profit. Yes I like him and he’s been Amazing but with the Silva system we could have a better fit CM.
 

Big Fat Sam said:
Bolasie, Mirallas, Sandro, Tosun, Niasse, Schneiderlin, McCarthy

Absolutely ginormous wages between them. About 450k a week.
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Honestly I’m still hoping Sandro gets his chance at the club. I do think he is a talent but still is no where near the wages he’s earning. I think Silva actually liked him but Sandro wanted back to Spain. Hopefully with the most recent stint he will realize his best shot it to fight his way past Tosun in the lineup and be a utility player along the front 3.
 

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