mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
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TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
I'm serious. I think Bernard has been the most overrated player in the squad this year. The skills he does bring are the most replaceable for his position and he doesn't do the most important stuff.
mkrudden
Player Valuation: £40m
Interesting debate!
I think Bernard is creative and is aggressive (if not a bit physically weak) defensively.
Whereas Lookman is very silky but defensively zilch. I'd absolutely keep the little brazilian rather than punt for Lookman.
What do you reckon the comparison is trait by trait?
Care to share how you know all of this?
All we know is that he turned down the Derby loan that BFS wanted to send him on and he went to Leopzig instad.
Yes, Silva stated at one point - once - this season that he needed ti be better in training. He's also said numerous times that Lookman is the future.
I tend to think he might go. But it'll only be if we get a decent offer in. And it doesn't make him a bad guy, either.
....it’s not all about talent, it’s more about effectiveness and attitude. Bernard is effective and he plays like the game matters. Silva has a number of players at his disposal, he’s in the points business so he picks his most effective players.
Regardless of what we think, it’s Silva’s opinion that matters. Bernard is clearly ahead of Walcott in the queue. Walcott is ahead of Lookman in the queue. It’s not because they can do more keepy ups than Lookman, it’s because Silva thinks they are more effective to the team.
What Bernard has brought in terms of his workrate has been key for us.
And with Lookman/Walcott, it's also due to different types of players imo.
They don't really play in a similar way.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
I do think Bernard is better defensively but as I said that's easily replaceable. James McClean is good at tracking back too. Id also say he does a good job of opening space up for Digne and others with his movement but Lookman doesn't do poorly there either. Creativity wise Bernard was honestly quite poor. Most of his chances created were low quality and his assist return was low. There is something in the argument that a better striker would help but poor forward play didn't stop Digne from being a high level creative player. He also seems to be hopeless shooting and he doesn't get many shots away to boot.
Lookman hasn't proven to be a great creator or scorer but I think he's at least close to as good as Bernard if not better. But Lookman is younger, more physically gifted and still without sufficient minutes to really get comfortable in the team.
ijjysmith
Calm
They’re not conspiracy theories.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
But that's the point. Workrate is something we can find in 500 wingers. We need someone who matches that with the far more important skills of scoring goals and creating chances.
TheBigIguana
Player Valuation: £100m
What exactly is he effective at? Because it isn't the things you'd probably want out of your winger as far as I can tell.
Simon Buttle
Player Valuation: £50m
I got told it at the time by someone who knows far more than you or i do about these things that's all im going to say, but yeah i have no photographic proof of him walking out before you start saying anything, but yeah the person who told me knows more than anyone on GOT basically. Id would actually like him to become something one day.
....I think a key aspect of Silva’s game plan is footballers who are comfortable and keep possession, especially away from home against tougher opposition. Bernard is technically excellent and very confident in his own ability. When the team are under the cosh, Bernard and Gomes are brave in possession. Silva trusts them.
Lookman is unreliable, even in cameos. I like him lots, but I understand why Silva overlooks him. He’s more of a conventional winger, who’ll take full backs on, hit crosses in the box and has more scoring potential than Bernard, but in the context of team effectiveness Bernard is on a different level.
I absolutely guarantee if you’re a teammate, you’re delighted when Bernard takes to the pitch alongside you.
I don’t think Bernard is way above Lookman in terms of effective, a better balance player yes but certain part of his game is not as good as Lookman.
If you are looking at someone who can dribble effectively, Lookman seems better. Shooting wise not even a contest. Unpredictability, Lookman seems to have an edge as well. On the other hand Lookman is terrible at being effective when defending.
The amount of work our winger puts in are incredible. Richarlison and Bernard are our top 3 tackler the last time I check. It’s no coincidence most of our substitution are wingers for wingers due to the way they burn out playing such high intensity at both ends. I believe this is the “desire” Silva is talking about, the desire to understand the importance of the role and responsibi as a winger in the way we play. This might be the real reason he is not playing week in week out. Desire is such a strong word to use and I don’t think Silva used it correctly. A player with no desire is not arse at defending or attacking and just go thru the motion, eg Schneiderlin at his worse. Lookman shows the desire to attack and do something with the ball, it’s the lack of understanding at the other end that is lacking.
gonetomorrow
Player Valuation: £70m
That is controversial.
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