Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[IllinoisBlue]

Well, the need to be careful makes the point being made pertinent rather than moot tbh. And I think there is a greater need of care when assessing hyped up championship players. There are many players that look good in the championship but cannot hack the premier league.

Sunderland sold their 'wonderkid' last summer, a lad that had one of the best goals and assist returns in the Championship, and yet they've barely missed him, and he struggles for game time in the Premier League. Sunderland now apparently have a new collection of several wonderkids, who probably won't even get promoted, and if they did they'd get relegated the following season.

I'm not averse to signing good players from the Championship, but for every Jarrad Bowen there are several Jack Clarke's.

Very good points, though I do recall he signed Tim Cahill, Jolson Lescott and Jags from the Championship, though a couple of them may have been just relegated teams.

 

[blueblue]

This is where Fellows is spending the summer, locked in my wardrobe so you lot can't get him!!
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@Littlesue
Why is there a man in your wardrobe wearing the top of a Santa Claus outfit but not wearing any pants.

Maybe better if you don't answer.

 

[Littlesue]

@Littlesue
Why is there a man in your wardrobe wearing the top of a Santa Claus outfit but not wearing any pants.

Maybe better if you don't answer.

He's not wearing the Santa Claus out fit, he hiding behind it, that's my dressing up outfit

 

[Rita_Poon]

What do people see as the 3 highest priority positions to recruit for this summer?

1.CF
2.RW/RM
3. LB

Striker
Right winger
Midfielder (we've lost Mangala and we've been lucky Gana and Garner have been ready to fill out the three with Doucoure)
A utility defender like Neville or Oviedo that'll cover for Myko or O'Brien.

People expect massive changes in one window this summer, and they're all going to be disappointed. We aint got the cash or the means to integrate an entire new side into a squad so quickly and expect it to come together for August. If we get 3 first teamers in and match fit and ready then we'll have done alright. Unless we sell a player or two and are forced to reinvest. (Beto, Branthwaite).

 

[mikel_88]

Feel be more in the links to Neil & Cirkin both with 1 year left at sunderland instead of rigg for more cover at cm and lb

 

[mikel_88]

Also maybe another on to look at be Enzo Le Fee if they dont go up sunderland aswell with the connections with roma now

 

[GrandOldTeam]

What’s the point of this though mate - we know they’ve been more active than us, but in terms of spends the difference is about £160 mill (and I’m not even bothering with loan fees) Pound for pound comparing the two clubs was it worth it and who got the best value for the investment? You’d have to say WHU.

I mean over the next five years if Moyes spends an additional £200 mill - we finish in the European Places, win a trophy, coin in all the cash benifit of that and sell players for 100mill + and the club is making £250 mill a year - from where we have just been - will you be complaining?

Well, my point was simple. This;

I did think he did well at West Ham, but when their fans told me he spent half a billion quid and I went and checked all the signings - I changed my mind.

... You then waded in, claiming 80% of his transfers at West Ham improve us, and acting as though we've been operating in a similar capacity the past 5 years on expenditure. I disagree, significantly, with both of your points.

To conclude my point then - I don't think David Moyes bought well with £500m worth of expenditure at West Ham;

From the top 20, at those fees - I'd take Bowen, and Kudus. I can see why Thelwell really wanted Kudus, but we couldn't get him on loan because Man Utd signed Antony. If we had been able to spend, he'd be here now. As would Minteh, and plenty of others who are much better than that list at West Ham.

So no,, I wouldn't want our next 5 years to replicate West Ham's last 5. Absolutely not.

We shouldn't be benchmarking Everton on the last 5 years of Everton, either.

 

[blueboy72]

Striker
Right winger
Midfielder (we've lost Mangala and we've been lucky Gana and Garner have been ready to fill out the three with Doucoure)
A utility defender like Neville or Oviedo that'll cover for Myko or O'Brien.

People expect massive changes in one window this summer, and they're all going to be disappointed. We aint got the cash or the means to integrate an entire new side into a squad so quickly and expect it to come together for August. If we get 3 first teamers in and match fit and ready then we'll have done alright. Unless we sell a player or two and are forced to reinvest. (Beto, Branthwaite).

We’re going to potentially need 2 centre mids maybe 3, a number 10 a right winger and a back up. At least one striker and a back up. Yes we will have to have a few loans and free’s but I think it will be a minimum of 4 new starters imo

 

[brettangellnightporter]

We’re going to potentially need 2 centre mids maybe 3, a number 10 a right winger and a back up. At least one striker and a back up. Yes we will have to have a few loans and free’s but I think it will be a minimum of 4 new starters imo

Alcaraz and ndyiaye are the 10s. We will need a defensive mid to cycle with gana. We need 2 rw options , and two full backs. And a 9. Prob 3 starters plus younger back ups.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Not sure we'd agree on the word investment.

But lets be clear, West Ham haven't been operating as Everton have been the past 5 or so years.

Using;

Everton FC - All transfers

This page shows all ever transfers of the Everton, including arrivals, departures and loans. It also displays the transfer fees.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-ham-united/alletransfers/verein/379

Here's an indication;

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Even here there is more to the picture than the numbers can tell.

Davies out on a free.
Kenny out on a free.
tosun, alli, sig, delph, rondon all free.

We've 5 current loans (Harrison, Mangala, Broja, Lindstrom, Alcaraz)
Keane, Cal-Lewin, Young, Doucoure, Coleman, Gana, Begovic, Virginia. 8 players. Could all walk as free agents.

We spent real money on a few in the first group, besides seeing huge losses on the likes of walcott and schneiderlin. A few in the second bunch cost serious cash as well.

The policy of either letting not good enough players sit and rot out a contract is abject, coupled with the policy of letting decent players leave on frees after costing us big money (Keane, Doucoure) is also abject. What we are suffering through is the culmination of the worst possible cases in every direction, all the chickens have come home to roost at the same time. What's happened is frankly nuts!

 

[RinkyDinker]

If he is sniffing around the Championship for players, I hope his radar is better than the one that not too recently signed Flynn Downes

 

[Rita_Poon]

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Scamacca was signed for 30.5m and recouped 22.5m +4.5m of add ons. So a 3.5m loss overall. Kalvin Phillips is unforgivable though.
Weren't city on the cusp of signing Paqueta for seriously big money but his naughty bets (on being booked in games he played) at the bookies scuppered it? signed for west ham for £36m and killed a deal to city for £80m. Ouch.
Thankful to Moyes as a secondary matter as he beat us to Cornet and Ward-Prowse. Was unlucky Zouma went doolally as well (now out on loan seeing out his contract, free in June).

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Scamacca was signed for 30.5m and recouped 22.5m +4.5m of add ons. So a 3.5m loss overall. Kalvin Phillips is unforgivable though.
Weren't city on the cusp of signing Paqueta for seriously big money but his naughty bets (on being booked in games he played) at the bookies scuppered it? signed for west ham for £36m and killed a deal to city for £80m. Ouch.
Thankful to Moyes as a secondary matter as he beat us to Cornet and Ward-Prowse. Was unlucky Zouma went doolally as well (now out on loan seeing out his contract, free in June).

More thankful he wouldn't sell us that terrible centre half out of spite when he was Sunderland manager.

Lamine Kone.

 

[blueboy72]

Alcaraz and ndyiaye are the 10s. We will need a defensive mid to cycle with gana. We need 2 rw options , and two full backs. And a 9. Prob 3 starters plus younger back ups.

Centre mid is massive we need a starter alongside gana imo, garner not good enough and Tim not ready to start, also garner has a clause in his contract,
Not sure how that works, but If a team agrees the price, can they talk to him
And his agent ? And he may fancy a move .

Also Moyes see’s ndiaye as a left winger and as things stand we won’t be signing Alcaraz on an Obligation . I’d rather keep O’Brien and Myko as full back. And spend at the top end off the pitch. Maybe we keep young and Patterson and loan a left footed CB who can play left back to cover 2 positions next season

 

[Neiler]

Well, my point was simple. This;



... You then waded in, claiming 80% of his transfers at West Ham improve us, and acting as though we've been operating in a similar capacity the past 5 years on expenditure. I disagree, significantly, with both of your points.

To conclude my point then - I don't think David Moyes bought well with £500m worth of expenditure at West Ham;

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From the top 20, at those fees - I'd take Bowen, and Kudus. I can see why Thelwell really wanted Kudus, but we couldn't get him on loan because Man Utd signed Antony. If we had been able to spend, he'd be here now. As would Minteh, and plenty of others who are much better than that list at West Ham.

So no,, I wouldn't want our next 5 years to replicate West Ham's last 5. Absolutely not.

We shouldn't be benchmarking Everton on the last 5 years of Everton, either.

Thats not the reason you posted the graph though mate - the graph you posted just highlighted activity - if you really wanted you could show that the increased WHU activity - pro rata was probably the same as ours pound for unit.

Yes i definitely do think 80% of that list - in fact probably more get games here over that period. 100%, I've no reason to retract the comment, you are just repeating it. Demari Gray and Maupay up front and Danjuma out on the wing, we aren't turning our nose up at the players on that list - yet the difference is £160 mill in expenditure. My question was £ for £ who got the better value for the investment/expenditure and without question its WHU.

So if you dont want to replicate WHU last five years - what is your Expectation?

Baseline ive presented how they finished higher in the PL, earned Euro Football, Won a Trophy, Turned over £250 mill a year and generated 500 mill to spend on their squad in turn having a squad of sellable assets? I dont think there are many Blues turning their nose up at that if im being honest with you.

I dont think you really from this point in the next five years - that our expectation realistically should be higher then that?