Takeover bid by Peter Kenyon

[Bluerover]

…..most seem to think this isn’t good or it’s very bad. Some think it is good, a couple think it’s very good.

I hold my hands up, I have absolutely no idea but I do suspect all of this is because Moshiri has made it known that we are up for sale.

I feel a bit like this too, uncertain of the positives or the negatives, although I really don't like what I have read of this consortium so far.

As for Mosh, I think last season frightened the proverbial out of him - if we had gone down, he was looking at a financial car crash, and a long slow crawl back to the PL.

He is probably sincere in wanting to see the Club do well, and the stadium completed with full funding.

However, the way the Club has been run under his ownership has become a textbook for how to make a complete mess of things, waste money on dross, and the managerial merry go round has made us a laughing stock.

Would this mob be any better? I don't know, but being an Evertonian continues to be flipping hard work.

 

[matty1878]

No. Quite the opposite.

I smell rats.

exactly!

 

[Azza]

All things considered, I think I'd rather see Moshiri learn from his mistakes than let a consortium in. Who knows what their interests are, but my guess is they care less about Everton than our current owners, and more about a return on their investment. Tell em to sod of Mosh!

If he was doing that he'd have included the words "Kenwright and DBB are removed from their positions" in his statement the other day.

 

[bring back the catt]

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…..saw the thread title, I thought it meant this bloke. Must’ve been doing alright for himself.

It's the rum @Eggs. You need to moderate your measures my good friend.

 

[NeilA1878]

All things considered, I think I'd rather see Moshiri learn from his mistakes than let a consortium in. Who knows what their interests are, but my guess is they care less about Everton than our current owners, and more about a return on their investment. Tell em to sod of Mosh!

He´s actively trying to sell... he has no interest in learning from his mistakes

 

[mahermi1]

He´s actively trying to sell... he has no interest in learning from his mistakes

Thought he was after investment but maybe that's changed.

 

[Baggzio]

What I find a bit mad is people justifying Moshiri because of a boogeyman. Yes there are some American owners that have been bad, there've been some that are good. One thing we know for certain is Moshiri is a bad owner. The one thing for certain is that these lads wouldn't be buying us to strip assets, because we have none to strip and like it or not these big time Americans don't invest in things to see them fail and languish.

Obviously this isn't ideal at all but we know that Moshiri has been awful in almost every step aside from the stadium and it's well known that with Usmanov being a sketchy character to say the least who knows how much further investment that Moshiri can or would even want to invest in us? If it meant us being run like a competent competitive football club then I'd be all for it, Moshiri has made a balls of it and almost directly got us relegated to begin with, if there's a deal where he can get out we should be encouraging it.

Quite frankly I couldn't care less who owns us or sponsors us or whoever, obviously except for a case like Newcastle where it's a literal murderous regime.

 

[Marius57]

…..most seem to think this isn’t good or it’s very bad. Some think it is good, a couple think it’s very good.

I hold my hands up, I have absolutely no idea but I do suspect all of this is because Moshiri has made it known that we are up for sale.

Definitely. Been rumblings about it for the last few months.

I think Moshiri has been a failure in terms of running the club, but at least he hasn't taken as much money out of us as he possibly could and it's been more incompetence of running a football club. Could have been much worse. Just have to hope he sells to the right people.

 

[terryefc]

No wonder the fella wants to sell. We find a way to hound everyone out.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Definitely. Been rumblings about it for the last few months.

I think Moshiri has been a failure in terms of running the club, but at least he hasn't taken as much money out of us as he possibly could and it's been more incompetence of running a football club. Could have been much worse. Just have to hope he sells to the right people.

Didnt Jim White say we're for sale ages ago?

EDIT: No it was hairy hands wasnt it

 

[james_v02]

If reports are right, it could be a total of $1bil = $500mil to Moshiri and then $500mil commitment to stadium development. So, it would cost the consortium well above $1bil to push the club forward in player investments. Hence, we may not expect any player investments for many seasons and we are to fund everything via the football club operations alone.

On the plus side, managing finances will be more important, thus player scouting and recruitment may improve from Moshiri era. The downside is, we may also see us selling our best developed players instead of further investments into getting players to build a squad capable to compete.
But considering our club's current state - Moshiri will not invest further to investment in new players due to FFP and losses that the club has made over the years - I don't think in the short run, we would see a huge difference from Moshiri being the owner versus the Consortium

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

What I find a bit mad is people justifying Moshiri because of a boogeyman. Yes there are some American owners that have been bad, there've been some that are good. One thing we know for certain is Moshiri is a bad owner. The one thing for certain is that these lads wouldn't be buying us to strip assets, because we have none to strip and like it or not these big time Americans don't invest in things to see them fail and languish.

Obviously this isn't ideal at all but we know that Moshiri has been awful in almost every step aside from the stadium and it's well known that with Usmanov being a sketchy character to say the least who knows how much further investment that Moshiri can or would even want to invest in us? If it meant us being run like a competent competitive football club then I'd be all for it, Moshiri has made a balls of it and almost directly got us relegated to begin with, if there's a deal where he can get out we should be encouraging it.

Quite frankly I couldn't care less who owns us or sponsors us or whoever, obviously except for a case like Newcastle where it's a literal murderous regime.

In other words you’d draw the line at the Saudi regime.
Similarly I’d draw the line at anybody who willingly consorts with or sympathises with a person who is a leading Neo- Nazi.

 

[davids]

Unlikely to happen, any sensible owner will want to keep their fanbase involved.
They dramatically increase the price of tickets and suddenly supporting the club is beyond the means of a large section of people.
You get empty seats, unused corporate facilities and reduced sales of the various merchandise the club is trying to market.

It would be shooting themselves in the foot for very little gain.

They could try to move the franchise to London.... being American that would be a more likely prospect.

That makes sense,but not on a spreadsheet,double the seat price,halve the gate,save on policing costs?

 

[mikel_88]

We're essentially going back to what we were during Bills time, the sums are bigger due to inflation, but we haven't suddenly become a money making machine.

The bigger concern is the landing. You cant just assume that a new regime will come in and nothing will change structurally and we will just be better managed. We have an owner right now we are utterly dependent on, year in year out to write blank cheques - putting in about 200mill a year - who is paying that if hes not here.

In "being well run" by new owners those blank cheques disappear and the short fall comes from somewhere - either selling assets - or debt. We've been very cosseted and to a degree protected in our ownership in living memory.

Id argue that - how do we know they are right people? How do we know if they will run the club properly - given the above - it could be a fire sale or a heaping of debt on the club. They will also definitely meddle in how the whole thing is run -they'd be stupid not to as owners.

The whole run the club better thing - is massively naïve to my mind - no personal offence intended i mean that generally, but - it seems to be the main argument in favour i.e. Looney Moshiri fatigue - hes a loon but hes a loon who writes big massive cheques with no consequence to us - these lads are different - there will be consequences. Our losses aren't just going to disappear over night because we are taken over, and have a new board with snazy titles, the losses still need to be funded - whos paying for that.

Has been consequences thats why ffp is so bad and we cant spend. I agree its great when he was putting big money in but it has cost us with how he has run the club.

 

[Neiler]

Has been consequences thats why ffp is so bad and we cant spend. I agree its great when he was putting big money in but it has cost us with how he has run the club.

Its cost him in the main mate, he's covering all our losses.

Thats the point - who is going to this when hes not here.