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Teachers' Strike!

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Bruce Wayne said:
Lets be honest here, measuring productivity by the number of hours worked is kinda old fashioned isn't it? You wouldn't judge Usain Bolt negatively because he spends less time doing his job than everyone else, would you?
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I wasn't measuring their productivity, i was simply pointing out that most people don't work such long hours.

People like to bleat about teacher holidays, without thinking to factor in the fact that on a day to day basis teachers work more hours than they do. I'd also say 50 hours per week is a conservative estimate.
 
Steve0 said:
Sorry but teachers don't work more than 50 hours a week. Teachers also get 13 weeks holiday every year.

Still think they have a right to strike but misinformation like that is just daft.
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Do you have facts to prove this ? Because:

The poll also found that 55 per cent of the teachers quizzed said they regularly did 56 hours a week during term time - and even taking account of ‘holiday time’, the average amount of hours teachers do each week is 48.3.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eaching-magazine-concludes-hours-rest-us.html

That 48.3 hour average means that a lot of teachers certainly are doing more than 50 hours per week. Of course i'm sure they're all just lying and it's a big conspiracy, can't be that teachers actually do a hell of a lot of work or anything.
 
Steve0 said:
Sorry but teachers don't work more than 50 hours a week. Teachers also get 13 weeks holiday every year.

Still think they have a right to strike but misinformation like that is just daft.
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I know teachers who do. They spend plenty of that 13 weeks working, too.
 
They work more than people think. While the pupils' schoolday is 9-3, the reality is most teachers arrive before this, and leave much later than this. Add that to the amount of work taken home and you have hours of what is essentially overtime.

I remember the sheer volume of work my mum did (and still does) outside of school hours. It's really rather a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised to see teachers actually "working" more than the 37.5 hour week. It's easy to say "but they get holidays", and "they have short days".

While yes, they may get holidays longer than most, you'll find a hell of a lot of public sector workers get 8 weeks minimum anyway. However, often this is not spent away from school (at least not in my mums' case) - a fair portion of these said holidays is spent doing school work anyway.
 

Teachers should be payed really well. They do one of the hardest jobs out there IMO and it's an important one too
 
Teachers know what they sign up for and the likely career and pay ahead of them, but goalposts do change too.

Most of us in the private sector have jobs that are subject to the whims of company earnings, competition, takeover, etc. We are very used to having our goal posts moved year in, year out and if we were offered the same sort of stability as your average teacher would bite your hands off. Public finances change too, and what was promised to you at one point may no longer be possible.

I can't say I have too much sympathy on the pension front. Everyone knows the dire state of public pensions is a big contributor to the bankrupting of this country. Public pensions are a government operated ponzi scheme that is fleecing every honest taxpayer. Scrap them and force people who want a pension income to buy a private pension. Then you would see what your contributions are actually worth on the open market.

On the work/conditions front, some sort of a deal will be reached, but remember that no private company can continue to consistently overspend and lose money like the public sector can. We have to shape up and cut our cloth according to our incomes, or else we wouldn't survive.
 
Azzurri said:
Teachers should be payed really well. They do one of the hardest jobs out there IMO and it's an important one too
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Good teachers should be payed really well. There's plenty of lazy sh1thouse teachers who don't care about their profession. A performance related bonus scheme is the way forward.
 
....I think we have to be careful that this Govt don't turn all of this into a Public v Private Sector war. That is what they are after. The cultures and conditions are different in each so comparisons shouldn't be part of the argument.
 
On the subject of public pension payouts:

Public pension payouts are up to x20 larger than what they should be given their lifetime contributions.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-2068056/Public-sector-workers-pensions-worth-20-times-value-contributions.html

Alexander Forbes' sums show that someone earning £40,000 at retirement, having spent a forty-year career working for the state, is likely to be on course for a pension worth £26,667.


In his calculations, Mr Carey assumed that a worker's salary increased in line with RPI inflation at 4 per cent over the forty-year period, finally reaching £40,000 by the age of 62; and that gross contributions were at 6 per cent of salary*.

Contributions over the forty years tally £46,000.


To buy an inflation-linked pension worth £26,667 in the annuity market, a saver would need a pot worth around £900,000, according to pension provider Hargreaves Lansdown, due to the equivalent inflation-linked annuity rate being 2.88 per cent.

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I wonder if most of our teachers are learned enough to explain the morality that can defend these numbers?
 

Tubey said:
And what would improve that performance?

Wouldn't be an improved system would it?

Or are you suggesting that teachers are bad on purpose? They woke up one day and decided to perform poorly I guess.
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You can't excuse a massive disparity in performance between the best & the worst in the teaching profession, as merely being the fault of the 'system'.

Is any employee's performance 'bad on purpose' ffs?

It's a simple fact that if those teachers performing poorly, matched the performance of their better performing peers - WHO ARE OPERATING WITHIN THE SAME SYSTEM / FRAMEWORK - then the overall result would be a massive improvement.

“Bringing the lowest-performing 10% of teachers in the UK up to the average would greatly boost attainment and lead to a sharp improvement in the UK’s international ranking. In five years the UK’s rank amongst OECD countries could improve from 21st in Reading to as high as 7th, and from 22nd in Maths to as high as 12th

“Two thirds of school budgets are for the costs of teachers and the achievement of pupils is largely determined by the quality of teachers. So the single most important way to improve the UK’s international performance is to improve the quality of its 400,000 or so teachers. We believe that this can be achieved by giving teachers the right support, training and incentives and it is absolutely essential that this be carried forward.”


http://www.suttontrust.com/news/news/improving-poor-teachers-would-transform-englands-education/

The Tory report that your waving like it's the definitive truth, has been compiled by 4 ex-maths teachers & a TV presenter, so they're hardly going to conclude that teaching standards are a primary issue here ffs are they?
 
...don't deny anybody fighting to keep what others have fought hard to get. Don't begrudge benefits anybody in the private or public sector have. I'm a Civil Servant with 38 years service and I will retire in less than 3 years on half pay and 3 times that as a lump sum. Yes, I'm happy with that but its what I signed-up for in 1975 and have worked tirelessly for since.
 

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