Teachers' Strike!

[Del]

Of course, but they're not addressing themselves are they, so they're excluded from the term "public" in this discussion.

Similarly, if a shopkeeper was talking about the public, he himself wouldn't be classed as part of the public during that discussion.

Are they super hero's mate?

I'm thinking they must be with all this hard work they put in, I mean 7:30am to 5:00pm Monday to Friday and only 12 weeks off a year

How do they cope?

 

[orly]

This is the best lesson to give to kids. Don't get what you want, throw a strop.

Ah right, what we should be teaching our kids is 'Let yourselves get mowed over, just like your teachers' - teachers who for many children are the sole consistent role model in their day to day lives.

A strike in this country is a legal process - good example to the kids.

But hey, let's have more free schools....

 

[Tubey]

Hahaha, calling the Nation's public stupid's hardly helping the teacher's cause.
rolf Harris

People are collectively stupid about wider issues when something narrowly impacts their own lives as a result of it. It's only natural; reason flies out the window and rightly so. I don't blame parents for being annoyed at teachers for this; all I'm saying is that it shouldn't be a rod to beat them with on the wider issue.

Talk to someone about the war in Syria and they'll all express shock and sorrow over it. But if you asked every household if they'd automatically choose peace over there if it meant £100 out of their pocket every month, you'd see a lot of umming and arring about it.

 

[evilwebby]

£21,000 does seem a little low starting pay for a teacher tbh.

It's probably around where the median wage for workers in the this country. There aren't all that many lines of work where you can walk into a job without a day's experience and command what half of the country's workers are have spent many years working their way up to.

I personally think that public sector salaries should probably start lower, but increase more with experience, so that there is more of a "ladder". That's my experience of how things are in the private sector.

 

[Blue 1]

Gove is a grade A [Poor language removed], but he's the latest in a long line to hold his post.

The trouble with the DoE is that ministers like Gove see it merely as a stepping stone to bigger and better things, so use it to "make a name for themselves", usually by meddling as much as possible.

The weird thing about Gove (and Eric Pickles, but that's for another thread) is that he seems to hate the department he's in charge of, and is stuck in some kind of 1980's Thatcherite fantasy world where he's facing down "Trotskyite" Unions and it's his job to break them. He has his eye firmly on #10 along with Boris, and they both frighten the hell out of me.

 

[Tubey]

It's probably around where the median wage for workers in the this country. There aren't all that many lines of work where you can walk into a job without a day's experience and command what half of the country's workers are have spent many years working their way up to.

I personally think that public sector salaries should probably start lower, but increase more with experience, so that there is more of a "ladder". That's my experience of how things are in the private sector.

I'd agree with you if teaching was a profession that didn't need a degree and a sustained commitment to attain.

The average wage for a degree educated person in the UK is £29,000.

 

[Del]

There going on strike because they want more money though, Is that about right?

 

[orchard]

People are collectively stupid about wider issues when something narrowly impacts their own lives as a result of it. It's only natural; reason flies out the window and rightly so. I don't blame parents for being annoyed at teachers for this; all I'm saying is that it shouldn't be a rod to beat them with on the wider issue.

Talk to someone about the war in Syria and they'll all express shock and sorrow over it. But if you asked every household if they'd automatically choose peace over there if it meant £100 out of their pocket every month, you'd see a lot of umming and arring about it.

I agree Gove's a right whopper from the interviews and discussions i've heard on Radio4, I also think it's wrong that a government should go back on its word (wasn't Thatcher one of the first in recent times with the War Widow pensions ?), however all's not great with our educational system as it stands either imo mate.

 

[Housequake]

Kids'll be f*cking made up, they'll be getting used to all these days off. No wonder people at University level express their chagrin at having to get up at ungodly hours like 9am to go to lectures they've took out a £27k loan for.

 

[Huyton Layne]

Sack all the teachers and replace them with nuns. Kids these days are out of control and need a good ruler across the face.

 

[Housequake]

Sack all the teachers and replace them with nuns. Kids these days are out of control and need a good ruler across the face.

 

[Bungle]

Are they super hero's mate?

I'm thinking they must be with all this hard work they put in, I mean 7:30am to 5:00pm Monday to Friday and only 12 weeks off a year

How do they cope?

It would seem they don't, but a bit more money would help apparently?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree Gove's a right whopper from the interviews and discussions i've heard on Radio4, I also think it's wrong that a government should go back on its word (wasn't Thatcher one of the first in recent times with the War Widow pensions ?), however all's not great with our educational system as it stands either imo mate.

Quite, as the OECD report earlier this month showed

www.theguardian.com/education/2013/oct/08/england-young-people-league-table-basic-skills-oecd

Out of 24 nations, young adults in England (aged 16-24) rank 22nd for literacy and 21st for numeracy. England is behind Estonia, Australia, Poland and Slovakia in both areas.

But yeah, lets carry on as we were.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Don't expect your Union to have any power, that was ripped through the last time 'they' were in, you know when the Blue Collar workers were having strikes and professionals just viewed them as ungrateful militants.

The Clarks Pastie shoe is on a different foot this time though, only problem is it will cost folk as much for this 1 day (possibly more) than they have seen in terms of a payrise for the whole year. Repeated strikes will erode workers Holiday Entitlements and then the teachers will swan off during the course of the year with 19 weeks paid holiday, and if teachers really do expect us to believe that after the extra hours they put in marking/planning etc that they only get the same time off as everyone else then they must take us all for being a bit thick tbh.


Workers have the right to stand up for themselves... I completely agree with that principle.

The only problem I see is that the so called 'Key workers' are calling on support from the rest of the population that work in the private sector, workers that have become downtrodden over the years whilst the 'key workers' haven't really given a toss. If you look at how much a teachers weekly pay will have increased in say 20 years, then I'll bet that it's increased by more than a lot even get paid per week.
we have some friends that are a copper & nurse, they will be on more when drawing their pension than we earn now, they are pumping up their pensions overpaying.... which the govt match, when it's matched it's coming out of the pot for everyone else, thats all that a lot will have to rely on in retirement.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Kinda summed up the mess a bit further down that article. Tories were blaming Labour for this mess, then Labour shot back with

Labour hit back, saying that while in government it "drove up standards in maths and English across our schools, evident in the huge improvements we saw in GCSE results between 1997 and 2010"

We've been led to believe that inflating grades means our education is working, despite gradually falling positions in international league tables such as that supplied by PISA.

Education is far too important to be left in the hands of idiots like we tend to attract to Westminster.