The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
Sorry mate but you are wrong. The Glazers attend almost every home game at United and Mansour is a fairly regular attendee at City's home games.
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Sorry mate but you are wrong. The Glazers attend almost every home game at United and Mansour is a fairly regular attendee at City's home games.
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
By the way, Sheik Mansour has attended at least 2 Man City games in person, which is at least one more game than Earl has attended at Everton.
Woolly Blue
Player Valuation: £80m
Fair play to you for putting your feelings to one side and shelling out a tenner in the interests of debate on the internet.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
What else can you be ? You're either happy with the situation, or not. After so long without silverware expressing forcefully that it's not good enough is a natural concomitant ; when people suggest facile banners hackles are raised.
It'll have been the plotters mate
The Esk
Player Valuation: £70m
They bought shares off previous investors, they did not invest directly into the club. Just like if you buy some Shell PLC shares tomorrow, Shell don't benefit it's the seller who receives your cash.
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
No, I was there too, and Johnson was a bad owner who sold the club's star striker behind the managers back, who undermined Joe Royle to cause him to quit/sacked him, lost numerous key transfer targets due to sheer incompetence/arrogance (eg Nigel Martyn), dropped Z-Cars, approved Dixie the foam mascot, allowed a Gwladys Street band to play during matches.... the list of horrors go on and on.
The point was, there were a few things he did right. In the same way Kenwright has done a few things right, and lot of things wrong/badly too. Making out Johnson is this 'worst owner' and that Kenwright is so much better is such a simplistic and untrue argument.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...and it's good to know they accept Monopoly money.
GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Pathetic.
Thanks for selling our stars, failing to move stadiums on 3 occasions, overseeing our longest trophy drought and the continuous lies, Bill.
You absolute fraud of a man.
Thanks for selling our stars, failing to move stadiums on 3 occasions, overseeing our longest trophy drought and the continuous lies, Bill.
You absolute fraud of a man.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Infamy infamy...they've all got it infamy.
Azza
Player Valuation: £80m
This is absolutely disgusting to be honest. Another chance to get the camera on teary eyed Blue Bill!
Where the **** is Jon Woods recognition?!?!? Where's his banner and biplane fly over!?!? These so called fans don't deserve to be supporters of this club if they think Bill has deserved a banner more than Jon!
Makes me sick!!
Where the **** is Jon Woods recognition?!?!? Where's his banner and biplane fly over!?!? These so called fans don't deserve to be supporters of this club if they think Bill has deserved a banner more than Jon!
Makes me sick!!
BoysInBlue
Player Valuation: £50m
Did you know....?
That when Peter Johnson sold the club, he sold it for virtually the price he bought it for, and actually made a loss.
According to Clifford Finch anyway:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/johnsons-right-hand-man-forever-3521607
A LASTING legacy to the work of Clifford Finch still stands prominently opposite the Dixie Dean statue at Goodison Park.
The club's impressive Megastore - Everton's answer to the increasingly commercial demands of top flight football - was Finch's baby.
Officially Everton's Commercial Director from 1994 to 1998, Cliff Finch was also Peter Johnson's right-hand man - his loyal confidante, his trusted ally and, occasionally, his bullish trouble-shooter.
And as Johnson's regime disintegrated in the turbulent winters of 1997 and 1998, there was plenty of trouble to shoot down.
Nowadays Finch is an unpaid consultant trying to save Wrexham from administration, but he remains an ardent Evertonian and despite a recent decison to sell a bulk of the 300/400 shares he owns in the club he intends to remain an active shareholder.
"I still go to the matches and I still hurt when they hurt," he explained.
"I've just decided to sell my shares. It would be nice to see them spread around a number of shareholders, but that doesn't mean I won't sell them to one individual - and I will still remain a shareholder in the club."
Finch was party to many meaningful decisions which shaped the course of Everton's destiny.
The most seismic, of course, was the decision which eventually brought Johnson's regime to an end - the decision to sell Duncan Ferguson to Newcastle United for #8m, without first informing manager Walter Smith.
That decision is brought into even sharper focus following Ferguson's latest misdemeanour this week.
But Finch is typically unabashed - and still staunchly supportive of his friend, the then chairman, Peter Johnson.
"Duncan Ferguson was a lovely guy, but it was the deal of the season," says Finch. "Peter Johnson and I were invited to his wedding and were the only people from the club to go. But the pressure was on from the cash side of the business.
"Financially we were in a pretty poor way, there was pressure from the bank and it was one of those things which, in Peter's defence, seemed like a good idea at the time.
"I just thought it was a great shame that enormous pressure was coming from all angles on Peter, the majority of which was unnecessary.
"No-one has put that sort of money into the club since and no-one has been as successful.
"If we go back to 1987 the only time Everton have won anything since is during that two year period from 1995 to 1996 when we won the FA Cup, the Charity Shield, the FA Youth Cup and had a sixth place finish in the Premiership. That was still our highest Premiership finish until last season.
"We got it right in some areas and got it wrong in others, but we had no control over injuries, especially to key players like Andy Hinchcliffe, Dave Watson and Joe Parkinson who were all injured at the same time just after Christmas in 1996/97."
There were also advanced plans for a stadium switch, which Finch believes only the sudden end of Johnson's tenure saw shelved.
"Yes, we had plans to move," he added. "A ground poll indicated that 83 per cent of supporters wanted to move, from 39,000 votes cast.
"But there were problems from fans who write fanzines.
"We were then accused of fiddling the numbers which was a gross thing to say.
"As if people who wanted to do the best for the club would go to the lengths of organising a poll just so they could make up figures. It was a ridiculous accusation.
"The position was that the plans were for a stadium four miles from Goodison Park and they only needed to be rubberstamped. A considerable amount of money was then spent on a feasibility study into Kings Dock when it was quite clear at the time that it was not feasible.
"But then, of course, everything came crashing down.
"With the severity of the criticism of Peter Johnson and the threats he was receiving the point came when he said 'I have had enough. I can't take any more of this. I am trying to do the best but it seems that a sizeable number of people, including the media, do not have confidence in me.' And that was it.
"He sold the club for virtually the same price that he paid for it, therefore not only not making any profit, but actually coming out with a substantial bottom line loss."
Johnson exited Everton just 18 months after the manager he famously "mutually consented" - and it is typical of a club as contrary as the Blues that Johnson and Finch still remain friendly with Royle.
Finch has a copy of Royle's recent autobiography in his kitchen, with a heartfelt, signed message of thanks, on the inside cover. Inside Royle confirms the
mutual respect: "Cliff was much maligned in some circles because he was perceived as Peter Johnson's troubleshooter, the man who did the dirty work. But I must say he was never anything but supportive to me, while remaining loyal to Peter.
"After I had left, Cliff, who was in South Africa at the time, returned from his trip to tell me that the chairman and I needed our heads banging together. Perhaps that is true."
If Finch had not been out of the country during that fateful afternoon, the course of Everton's future might have been very different.
We'll never know.
* Enquiries regarding the sale of Cliff Finch's shares should be made to Blankstone Sington (0151-707-1707) quoting ref: BCF/1
That when Peter Johnson sold the club, he sold it for virtually the price he bought it for, and actually made a loss.
According to Clifford Finch anyway:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/johnsons-right-hand-man-forever-3521607
A LASTING legacy to the work of Clifford Finch still stands prominently opposite the Dixie Dean statue at Goodison Park.
The club's impressive Megastore - Everton's answer to the increasingly commercial demands of top flight football - was Finch's baby.
Officially Everton's Commercial Director from 1994 to 1998, Cliff Finch was also Peter Johnson's right-hand man - his loyal confidante, his trusted ally and, occasionally, his bullish trouble-shooter.
And as Johnson's regime disintegrated in the turbulent winters of 1997 and 1998, there was plenty of trouble to shoot down.
Nowadays Finch is an unpaid consultant trying to save Wrexham from administration, but he remains an ardent Evertonian and despite a recent decison to sell a bulk of the 300/400 shares he owns in the club he intends to remain an active shareholder.
"I still go to the matches and I still hurt when they hurt," he explained.
"I've just decided to sell my shares. It would be nice to see them spread around a number of shareholders, but that doesn't mean I won't sell them to one individual - and I will still remain a shareholder in the club."
Finch was party to many meaningful decisions which shaped the course of Everton's destiny.
The most seismic, of course, was the decision which eventually brought Johnson's regime to an end - the decision to sell Duncan Ferguson to Newcastle United for #8m, without first informing manager Walter Smith.
That decision is brought into even sharper focus following Ferguson's latest misdemeanour this week.
But Finch is typically unabashed - and still staunchly supportive of his friend, the then chairman, Peter Johnson.
"Duncan Ferguson was a lovely guy, but it was the deal of the season," says Finch. "Peter Johnson and I were invited to his wedding and were the only people from the club to go. But the pressure was on from the cash side of the business.
"Financially we were in a pretty poor way, there was pressure from the bank and it was one of those things which, in Peter's defence, seemed like a good idea at the time.
"I just thought it was a great shame that enormous pressure was coming from all angles on Peter, the majority of which was unnecessary.
"No-one has put that sort of money into the club since and no-one has been as successful.
"If we go back to 1987 the only time Everton have won anything since is during that two year period from 1995 to 1996 when we won the FA Cup, the Charity Shield, the FA Youth Cup and had a sixth place finish in the Premiership. That was still our highest Premiership finish until last season.
"We got it right in some areas and got it wrong in others, but we had no control over injuries, especially to key players like Andy Hinchcliffe, Dave Watson and Joe Parkinson who were all injured at the same time just after Christmas in 1996/97."
There were also advanced plans for a stadium switch, which Finch believes only the sudden end of Johnson's tenure saw shelved.
"Yes, we had plans to move," he added. "A ground poll indicated that 83 per cent of supporters wanted to move, from 39,000 votes cast.
"But there were problems from fans who write fanzines.
"We were then accused of fiddling the numbers which was a gross thing to say.
"As if people who wanted to do the best for the club would go to the lengths of organising a poll just so they could make up figures. It was a ridiculous accusation.
"The position was that the plans were for a stadium four miles from Goodison Park and they only needed to be rubberstamped. A considerable amount of money was then spent on a feasibility study into Kings Dock when it was quite clear at the time that it was not feasible.
"But then, of course, everything came crashing down.
"With the severity of the criticism of Peter Johnson and the threats he was receiving the point came when he said 'I have had enough. I can't take any more of this. I am trying to do the best but it seems that a sizeable number of people, including the media, do not have confidence in me.' And that was it.
"He sold the club for virtually the same price that he paid for it, therefore not only not making any profit, but actually coming out with a substantial bottom line loss."
Johnson exited Everton just 18 months after the manager he famously "mutually consented" - and it is typical of a club as contrary as the Blues that Johnson and Finch still remain friendly with Royle.
Finch has a copy of Royle's recent autobiography in his kitchen, with a heartfelt, signed message of thanks, on the inside cover. Inside Royle confirms the
mutual respect: "Cliff was much maligned in some circles because he was perceived as Peter Johnson's troubleshooter, the man who did the dirty work. But I must say he was never anything but supportive to me, while remaining loyal to Peter.
"After I had left, Cliff, who was in South Africa at the time, returned from his trip to tell me that the chairman and I needed our heads banging together. Perhaps that is true."
If Finch had not been out of the country during that fateful afternoon, the course of Everton's future might have been very different.
We'll never know.
* Enquiries regarding the sale of Cliff Finch's shares should be made to Blankstone Sington (0151-707-1707) quoting ref: BCF/1
tommye
Player Valuation: £100m
I think Moyes played more than a small part in that with his small time mentality, you can't lay that all on Kenwrights doorstep. We've had a team good enough to win a trophy.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
...a banner for Philip Green too. "Thanks Phil. A great friend of Everton FC. Shall we say 11% interest this year?"
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