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[Chang Elephant]

Pardon me, I assumed that Everton were going to own 50% of the project, so it was only ever going to be 20% then?

You can finance all/part of a project, you can own all/part of the outcome of a project..... different matters. In terms of that outcome we'd have owned a

50% stake in the £150M stadium portion of this £300M project

......50% of a stadium.

But even at that, £155m for a 55k stadium with retractable pitch and roof et al for £9m less than it cost for the 12k Echo arena to be finished 3 years after the planned finish date of KD? So my point about it being woefully under costed was wrong then?

The overall project cost, including surrounding land redevelopment, traffic infrastructure etc (?) was envisaged to be £300M plus. Is this the figure you're basing your non researched costs on ? Surprising the relevant professionals at Liverpool Vision, English Partnerships, North West Regional Development Agency, and Liverpool City Council never twigged how "woefully" under costed it was. Neither did the genius that is Bill Kenwright..... he just prevaricated and delayed until the project died, like a plonker.

 

[Chang Elephant]

even at 2003 prices £150 million for the whole development was a very small sum of money - totally undo-able in my mind.

£300M for the whole development

 

[The Esk]

£300M for the whole development

Cheers mate, must confess I was out of the UK most of the time around the King's Dock fiasco. Will read up more about it.

One question though, if the whole development was £300 m who was providing the extra £150 m ? Those developing outside the stadium? The ones paying the cross subsidy?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Cheers mate, must confess I was out of the UK most of the time around the King's Dock fiasco. Will read up more about it.

One question though, if the whole development was £300 m who was providing the extra £150 m ? Those developing outside the stadium? The ones paying the cross subsidy?

Small details mate.

£30m would have seen us sorted.

It's unquestionable............

 

[boris]

Small details mate.

£30m would have seen us sorted.

It's unquestionable............

I haven't read the whole thread it makes my eye balls itch but surely the fact that they couldn't even raise the £30 million is the issue not that it may not have been enough anyway.

 

[Chang Elephant]

I haven't read the whole thread it makes my eye balls itch but surely the fact that they couldn't even raise the £30 million is the issue not that it may not have been enough anyway.

yeah that's the issue but this thread is currently about diversion from that issue

 

[Dithering Dougie]

yeah that's the issue but this thread is currently about diversion from that issue

Changy where are you getting all these quotes from?

 

[Chang Elephant]

Changy where are you getting all these quotes from?

The net lad

 

[Dithering Dougie]

The net lad

Can you provide links please because without them there just random statements from you.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Can you provide links please because without them there just random statements from you.

Stop dithering Dougie

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Stop dithering Dougie

Oh right you've made them up then.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

yeah that's the issue but this thread is currently about diversion from that issue

A diversion?

Nope, the failure to secure the funds was a failure, but a totally different issue from the feasibility of the project.

Shame you're that buried in your agenda that you can't even acknowledge that.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Nope, the failure to secure the funds was a failure, but a totally different issue from the feasibility of the project.

Shame you're that buried in your agenda that you can't even acknowledge that.

I can acknowledge the failure to secure the funds as a factual matter.

The feasibility issue is one you've just made up which if it had any substance to it surprisingly eluded the relevant professionals at Liverpool Vision, English Partnerships, North West Regional Development Agency, and Liverpool City Council employed to deal with it at the time.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I can acknowledge the failure to secure the funds as a factual matter.

The feasibility issue is one you've just made up which if it had any substance to it surprisingly eluded the relevant professionals at Liverpool Vision, English Partnerships, North West Regional Development Agency, and Liverpool City Council employed to deal with it at the time.

I didn't 'make it up' I questioned the simple fact that at £155m for the all singing and dancing 55k stadium it looked ambitious given the reality of the cost of the project that was actually delivered i.e. the Echo Arena

The esk agreed with me btw, but you swerved that conversation I note.

 

[Prevenger17]

We have him run the rule over the Mods Hobnob Biscuit Fund from time to time. All good I am happy to report.

I don't believe that for a second. Woolly is definitely taking delicious, crumbly backhanders.