The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Clint Planet]

British. Born here.

Killed by someone you would have waved in.

Yes, Nik, sadly, some foreign people kill British people sometimes. Some British people also kill foreign people. More often, British people kill British people. It really is deeply awful on both sides. Any death is dreadful.

Sad too that you try to make political capital out of it to serve your own prejudices.

 

[EFCNIK]

Yes, Nik, sadly, some foreign people kill British people sometimes. Some British people also kill foreign people. More often, British people kill British people. It really is deeply awful on both sides. Any death is dreadful.

Sad too that you try to make political capital out of it to serve your own prejudices.

All that says to me is we have our own scumbags, we don't need anyone else's. Even though it's way more than one person that has been raped or murdered by an unchecked EU immigrant, one is all it should bloody well take.

Oh and btw it has been found that our incessant allowing of mass immigration from outside the EU has cost the tax payer money. Mass unchecked EU immigration has just cost us sociologically. Win there mate. Good win.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What's your point, Brucie?

Oh, I was just thinking it was nice to see schools appearing to do well when they're given a good degree of freedom over how they go about their work.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Goverments and the Euro's own studies have said there is next to no gain to the uk , when you add in housing health schools ect,
The body that has put this together has got 53 million grants from the EU in the last few years and one of its main contributers is in fact one of the people he is talking about living over here from Europe.
As always when looking at these things see who sponsors them in the first place.
Said it for years we are getting the piss taken out of us from those traitors in power.
Ask yourself this is it harder to get a decent house , stable job and a decent future for your kids?
There all in on it Labour , tory and the Euro shower, look at the Euro zone they cant deflate the currency , so that leaves lower wages and low inflation as the only way to control the economy, and yet all over europe they fall for it, you take the hit while the rich take the cream.

How did they fiddle the stats do you think? That's not a leading question btw, I genuinely haven't looked at the research. I've seen previous data that came to a similar conclusion from various other sources. I think (from memory), the ones I've posted in similar discussions have come from the likes of the ONS and the Oxford Uni migration unit. Not fail-safe sources, but reasonable you'd hope.

 

[Clint Planet]

Oh, I was just thinking it was nice to see schools appearing to do well when they're given a good degree of freedom over how they go about their work.

Oh, I see. The danger is, of course, that if they're not given enough guidance, they may well fail the children.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes, Nik, sadly, some foreign people kill British people sometimes. Some British people also kill foreign people. More often, British people kill British people. It really is deeply awful on both sides. Any death is dreadful.

Sad too that you try to make political capital out of it to serve your own prejudices.

It's equally sad that a party that have the temerity to brand themselves as liberal have stoked up such division and hatred of those that are different. The whole ethos of being free to live how you like so long as you're not harming the possibility of others doing likewise seems to have escaped them entirely.

Purely anecdotal of course, but I spoke to a couple of Polish friends this week. Both with masters degrees, both having worked since they came here, and neither of whom have claimed any kind of welfare, and they said with a lot of sadness how they feel unwelcome in the country these days.

Re some of the comments earlier, it reminded me of a study by Dave Bartram. He looked at around 90,000 people from around the world to try and determine what factors contributed to their personalities. So, their nationality, employer, gender and so on.

Analysis showed that approximately 12% of any personality variance could be accounted for by our employer, with a similar number also applying to our nationality.

So, in other words, just 12% of our personality can be derived from our nationality. It kinda rams home to me that we're all human beings, and this talk of nationality does nothing but divide us and cause friction. It's really sad, especially as we're living in a more global age than ever before.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Oh, I see. The danger is, of course, that if they're not given enough guidance, they may well fail the children.

For sure, and there needs to be a good (and rapid) flow of information so that those that are doing well share their knowledge with those that aren't, and so on.

I was at a meeting yesterday with some senior bods at the NHS for their latest innovation challenge, and that was a constant theme of the afternoon. There are pockets of excellence in the NHS, but it's proving really hard to spread that knowledge throughout the service.

 

[Walken]

All that says to me is we have our own scumbags, we don't need anyone else's. Even though it's way more than one person that has been raped or murdered by an unchecked EU immigrant, one is all it should bloody well take.

Oh and btw it has been found that our incessant allowing of mass immigration from outside the EU has cost the tax payer money. Mass unchecked EU immigration has just cost us sociologically. Win there mate. Good win.

care to link up some stats for the first time in your posting history, 'itz bin found' doesn't really cut it

 

[Walken]

It's equally sad that a party that have the temerity to brand themselves as liberal have stoked up such division and hatred of those that are different. The whole ethos of being free to live how you like so long as you're not harming the possibility of others doing likewise seems to have escaped them entirely.

Purely anecdotal of course, but I spoke to a couple of Polish friends this week. Both with masters degrees, both having worked since they came here, and neither of whom have claimed any kind of welfare, and they said with a lot of sadness how they feel unwelcome in the country these days.

Re some of the comments earlier, it reminded me of a study by Dave Bartram. He looked at around 90,000 people from around the world to try and determine what factors contributed to their personalities. So, their nationality, employer, gender and so on.

Analysis showed that approximately 12% of any personality variance could be accounted for by our employer, with a similar number also applying to our nationality.

So, in other words, just 12% of our personality can be derived from our nationality. It kinda rams home to me that we're all human beings, and this talk of nationality does nothing but divide us and cause friction. It's really sad, especially as we're living in a more global age than ever before.

plenty of elite thinkers have often stated that patriotism is an illogical state of mind

 

[EFCNIK]

care to link up some stats for the first time in your posting history, 'itz bin found' doesn't really cut it

It was on the beeb but here's a newspaper article that came up first.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ion-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

 

[EFCNIK]

care to link up some stats for the first time in your posting history, 'itz bin found' doesn't really cut it

And lol at the tone of your post insinuating I mean ALL immigration fullstop. Mass immigration with no guidelines.

It honestly baffles me how people think this is a good thing.

 

[Walken]

''Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown.

The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period.

Experts from University College London also said native Britons made a negative contribution of £591 billion over the 17 years – because of the country’s massive deficit.''

very conclusive that, and we've heard your ridiculous ideas on the stipulations for immigration

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It was on the beeb but here's a newspaper article that came up first.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ion-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

Ok, so when the government could control the flow of migrants, it ended up costing the state money, but when the flow was un-managed, it ended up generating the state money?

 

[EFCNIK]

Ok, so when the government could control the flow of migrants, it ended up costing the state money, but when the flow was un-managed, it ended up generating the state money?

Ok.

What?

Labour had absolutely no control and didn't want any. Completely intent on destroying British culture and society.

It is saying during the Labour years it cost us a LOT of money. It also says that open EU immigration generated money.

This of course doesn't take into account the sociological effects on our every day lives which I believe far out way the generation of a few hundred million to line the back pockets of our governments.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Ok.

What?

Labour had absolutely no control and didn't want any. Completely intent on destroying British culture and society.

It is saying during the Labour years it cost us a LOT of money. It also says that open EU immigration generated money.

This of course doesn't take into account the sociological effects on our every day lives which I believe far out way the generation of a few hundred million to line the back pockets of our governments.

We have the ability to say who can and cannot come into the country from outside Europe, yet those figures you quoted seem to suggest the state didn't do that particularly well, yet when things were un-managed, as in the EU, it seems to have worked rather well.

Even overlooking the question of whether the state has any business getting involved in where people can or cannot move, what makes you think they can do it well? If they can control the movement of people with any success, surely they should be planning/managing things that are significantly less complex too? The production of tractors for instance.