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The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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By choice. The Tories boost the housing market by cutting stamp duty. A political choice to gain votes. Not many of the 850 000 that were sanctioned in 2013 will be Tory voters. Dame Porter political gerrymandering springs to mind.The sanction regime is the biggest cause in the growth of foodbanks. And that is the fault of Ian Duncan Smith and the incumbent Tory government. Who fanatically want to penalise those that need help but will give tax breaks to those it is trying to woo to vote for them.

It is a matter of choice. The cause is the Tories dislike of certain people and the effect is misery, destitution and despair.

To be fair, whoever is in power tries to offer "Jam Tomorrow!" in a bid to stay in power.
If re-elected, a lot of promises get quietly dropped, modified or we are told cannot be implemented as it wasn't costed properly or some other excuse.

They are all as bad as each other as nothing corrupts like power et cetera
 
Rising the nil rate tax band is ok. And the pension stuff that comes in next April will be of benefit to me a bit. In a work way, not directly. But weigh that against Uni fees, then it will kind of even out a bit. Well a lot actually.

Whilst I do not support the increase in the annual fee amount, the impact upon wages for new grads is now reduced, meaning grads have more take home pay from day 1 than under the previous system. Yes they have a lot more to pay back in the long run, but at least it is not so painful at the start.

The Tory-bashers might want to remember that this was the LibDems #1 policy and they reneged. If anyone gets flak for that, it is the LibDems.
 
Ok, so that's the smoking ban, the rising cost of a pint, clampdown on drink driving, cultural changes, and a rise in non-drinking muslims. A range of factors, I believe.

At no point in that article earlier are Muslims pointed out as being the primary reason. One suspects the article was spun beautifully to hang this fella out the dry.


Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history".

One reason, i.e primary, for the closure of many pubs in those areas. He didn't mention smoking, drink driving, prices etc. but Muslims who do not drink. Lord Hodgson has put himself out to dry trying to protect the breweries against landlords.
 
By choice. The Tories boost the housing market by cutting stamp duty. A political choice to gain votes. Not many of the 850 000 that were sanctioned in 2013 will be Tory voters. Dame Porter political gerrymandering springs to mind.The sanction regime is the biggest cause in the growth of foodbanks. And that is the fault of Ian Duncan Smith and the incumbent Tory government. Who fanatically want to penalise those that need help but will give tax breaks to those it is trying to woo to vote for them.

It is a matter of choice. The cause is the Tories dislike of certain people and the effect is misery, destitution and despair.

No different to any political party in the world really
 
Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history".

One reason, i.e primary, for the closure of many pubs in those areas. He didn't mention smoking, drink driving, prices etc. but Muslims who do not drink. Lord Hodgson has put himself out to dry trying to protect the breweries against landlords.
Do you have the transcripts for his speech? Who's to say he has not already rattled off a load of other reasons, and added this as an additional factor for those places mentioned?

I'm not staunchly defending this fella, just showing how soundbites can, and are, regularly edited cleverly to stitch people up.
 

Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history".

One reason, i.e primary, for the closure of many pubs in those areas. He didn't mention smoking, drink driving, prices etc. but Muslims who do not drink. Lord Hodgson has put himself out to dry trying to protect the breweries against landlords.

Is this all part of the "Beer Tie" debate?

* Beer Tie - where pub landlords have to buy their beer from the owner breweries at inflated prices rather than the open market
 
Do you have the transcripts for his speech? Who's to say he has not already rattled off a load of other reasons, and added this as an additional factor for those places mentioned?

I'm not staunchly defending this fella, just showing how soundbites can, and are, regularly edited cleverly to stitch people up.

Twice I have given this extract,


Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history.”

He doesn't say anything else in relation to the closure of pubs in Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham than 'the Muslim population who don't drink' and what does this i.e Muslims that don't drink lead to pub closures. This Tory fundamentalist is trying to blame Muslims to protect the brewery industry against Landords complaining.

Landords are complaining that they are tied to a brewery, and this ex Marston Brewery chairman, is saying it is not the breweries that are to blame for pubs closing but Muslims.
 
Twice I have given this extract,


Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history.”
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Yes, I can read. My point is that he might have said 'We are seeing lots of reasons for the decline in drinking: Rising price of beer, clampdown on drink driving, the smoking bans. Additionally, in areas of Nottingham, Leicester...'
 
List of Lord Hodgson's interests:

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts
Category 1: Directorships
Non-executive Chairman, Cash Management Solutions Ltd and Cash Management Solutions payments intelligence Ltd (global outsourced cash management provider)
Chairman, RFIB Group Ltd (insurance and reinsurance brokerage)
Chairman, Johnson Bros & Co Ltd, Walsall (investment company; the Member's remuneration from Nova Capital Management is paid to Johnson Bros & Co Ltd (see category 4(a))
Chairman, Nova Capital Management
Category 4: Shareholdings (a)
Johnson Bros & Co Ltd, Walsall (investment company; jointly with wife)
Category 4: Shareholdings (b)
AstraZeneca plc (pharmaceuticals)
Barclays plc (banking)
Nova Capital Management (private equity)
Bank of Ireland (banking)
Royal Dutch Shell plc (oil)
Whitbread plc (hotels and restaurants)
Category 10: Non-financial interests (a)
Official Reviewer of the Charities Act 2006, appointed by the Minister for the Cabinet Office
Category 10: Non-financial interests (c)
Trustee, St Peter's College, Oxford
Category 10: Non-financial interests (d)
Trustee, Leamington Fund
Trustee, Fair Trials International
Category 10: Non-financial interests (e)
President, Ludlow and District Beekeepers' Association
Chairman, Advisory Committee, Armed Forces Charity
 

Whilst I do not support the increase in the annual fee amount, the impact upon wages for new grads is now reduced, meaning grads have more take home pay from day 1 than under the previous system. Yes they have a lot more to pay back in the long run, but at least it is not so painful at the start.

The Tory-bashers might want to remember that this was the LibDems #1 policy and they reneged. If anyone gets flak for that, it is the LibDems.

True, but the question was what have the coalition done, not the Libs or the Conservatives. And it is a purely selfish thing on my part, as the chances are I will end up helping in paying them off for my lad!

On the other hand, my youngest son gets a phenomenal amount of support from the Local Authority, which there is no way on earth we could have afforded. But thats not really down to this government I dont think.
 
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Yes, I can read. My point is that he might have said 'We are seeing lots of reasons for the decline in drinking: Rising price of beer, clampdown on drink driving, the smoking bans. Additionally, in areas of Nottingham, Leicester...'

Are you sure? Additionally never appeared you have added it.


Speaking in defence of the major pub chains, the former MP said: “In areas of Nottingham, Leicester, Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham the increase in the Muslim population who don’t drink leads to many pub closures. It is exceptionally hard for a publican who has put 10 years of his life into trying to build up a business to accept the inevitability of these tides of history.”

No it doesn't appear.
 
As Cowboy says earlier, surely we have to look at the bigger picture here. I can't believe it's at all sensible to believe that whoever is in government is responsible for each and every little thing that happens to a country and its people.

If the Chinese economy were to crash for instance, that would have a huge impact upon our own economy, but that would hardly be the fault of whomever was in government.

The reality is though that after the crash, the banks were bailed out in a big way. I'm not a fan of corporate welfare in the slightest, but I don't think any of the parties opposed doing that or offered any alternative. That, coupled with the recession, left a huge deficit. Unless you support taking on even more debt, that surely means cutting funding in certain areas (or making things more efficient etc.).

Health, education and overseas aid have been ringfenced (the so called NHS blackhole is down to need rising faster than inflation, not a lack of spending per se), which has meant most of any cuts have been heavily focused in areas that aren't ringfenced.

To say the NHS is under threat though I just don't get. What's it under threat from? Likewise with public transport. Wasn't there a big bung proposed by Osborne for public transport just last week? With food bills, staple foods are remarkably cheap these days. Indeed, there are some posts earlier where @Milk (a farmer) reveals how tough it is to make a living because of the low prices.

Heating bills are largely a consequence of NIMBYism resulting in a lack of new energy projects in Britain. If you look at America for instance, they've gone so overboard with fracking that they're now challenging Saudia Arabia as the largest oil producer in the world, and the world oil price has dropped sharply as a result of the supply glut. Have we started fracking in Britain yet?

I'm not going to suggest that the Tories have been great, awful or indifferent, as to be quite honest I couldn't care less, but I fail to see how any other party would have done things that differently.


I agree with much of what you have said, my main gripe is that the cuts have not been fair, poor people have been made worse off, while rich people have been unaffected or in some cases are better off now than they have ever been.

For example in 2014 the average CEO of a british company earns 143 times more than his/ her average worker (not lowest paid!)

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...ritains-fat-cat-pay-gap-hits-new-heights.html

From 2013 the NHS has over 14 major services privitised and being run for a profit, taking money from public funding and putting it into the hands of people like Virgin and Care UK, the more this happens, the more likely it is that we lose the NHS to the system that the Americans had before "Obama Care".

http://www.nhsforsale.info/privatisation-list.html

The issues with transport are far reaching, the main problem is that politics is generally "short term" and the benefits of transport infastructure changes are "long term". Mark Carney spoke about this last year. stating that the Govenment needed to spread the wealth from London by creating better transport infarstructure in the North.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-10-02/bank-of-england-governor-mark-carney-economy/

What ever way you paint it the energy companies are taking the mick. They post record profits while old people freeze to death, becasue they cannot afford to heat their homes. in 2013 the profits of the big six energy suppliers were five times higher than they were in 2009.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...ocketed-since-the-financial-crisis-began.html

I dont know if there is any one of the political parties who can fix these problems, I would love someone to at least give it a go though, the current lot are not even giving it a go in my opinion :)
 
True, but the question was what have the coalition done, not the Libs or the Conservatives. And it is a purely selfish thing on my part, as the chances are I will end up helping in paying them off for my lad!

On the other hand, my youngest son gets a phenomenal amount of support from the Local Authority, which there is no way on earth we could have afforded. But thats not really down to this government I dont think.

Why would you do that then? They only pay when they earn a proper wage, so let them take care of their own finances.
 

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