The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Jxg]

You should try reading things once in a while, might help.

That implies that I don't read things often which is clearly wrong so, awkward...

 

[The Esk]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30975437

Left wing party are set to win Greek elections and reject the eu's authority agenda.

Going to be an interesting few months in Europe

Hence the ECB bank's earlier decison to go to QE before the Greek election results. Getting bond yields lower before the results should make it easier for a debt writeoff programme for the Greeks rather than leave the EU.

That's the end game, it's just a question of time before the Germans permit it.

 

[roydo]

Hence the ECB bank's earlier decison to go to QE before the Greek election results. Getting bond yields lower before the results should make it easier for a debt writeoff programme for the Greeks rather than leave the EU.

That's the end game, it's just a question of time before the Germans permit it.

Doesnt make the problem go away though.

 

[bring the ghost on]

Marx thought up economic and social theory while sponging off both his friend and family's income. This is fact.

Jesus... One if the most influential philosophical and economic thinkers of our time and you take the ''get a real job'' line.

 

[The Esk]

Doesnt make the problem go away though.

Well it does if Greek debt is written down to an acceptable level, then Greece has a chance. Debt is currently 170% of Greece's GDP which is a huge problem for the Greeks yet only 3% of EU GDP.

If debt is not written down Eurobond yields rise making the amounts of money created to effect QE even greater, which is the least attractive option to the Germans.

The Germans who have benefited most of all Europeans in respect of debt relief have to make a decision. Allow Greek writedown and reducing the Greek austerity measures or see Eurobond rates increase pushing Europe deeper into recession.

 

[roydo]

Well it does if Greek debt is written down to an acceptable level, then Greece has a chance. Debt is currently 170% of Greece's GDP which is a huge problem for the Greeks yet only 3% of EU GDP.

If debt is not written down Eurobond yields rise making the amounts of money created to effect QE even greater, which is the least attractive option to the Germans.

The Germans who have benefited most of all European have to make a decision. Allow Greek writedown and reducing the Greek austerity measures or see Eurobond rates increase pushing Europe deeper into recession.

I meant the problem that a central currency without a controlling central bank/economic policy just does not work. Ever.

Until that fact is acknowledged by the eurocratic imbeciles who designed the whole thing, the Euro will never be a long term "success".

 

[Clint Planet]

tl;dr mate

You should have done. It was interesting and enlightening.

 

[Clint Planet]

Jesus... One if the most influential philosophical and economic thinkers of our time and you take the ''get a real job'' line.

Ha ha ha!

 

[The Cowboy]

UKIP know that BNP are political dynamite, they have been wiped off the face of the political universe. By publicly denying BNP members to join, you are painting a public picture that you are not the same as them, which is what they want, although many of their policies broadly fall in line with each other. How many BNP member would they attract anyway? There are hardly any to begin with.



Absolutely not. In my eyes, they make the Tories look moderate compared to themselves, which, in my view, can only help the Tories. @red1 said that UKIP wanted to shrink the state, and you replied that he had fallen into the trap of believing that they were 'more Tory than the Tories.

Firstly, I invite you to have a look at a Stuart Wheeler's quote, of UKIP;

UKIP's Stuart Wheeler: "Our policies, except for a few, are very, very similar to the Conservatives" #newsnight

Also, straight from the UKIP policy page of their website;

– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies.
– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.
– UKIP will reduce Barnett Formula spending and give devolved parliaments and assemblies further tax powers to compensate.
– UKIP will introduce an option for students to take an Apprenticeship Qualification instead of four non-core GCSEs which can be continued at A-Level. Students can take up apprenticeships in jobs with certified professionals qualified to grade the progress of the student.
– UKIP supports the principle of Free Schools that are open to the whole community and uphold British values.
– Existing schools will be allowed to apply to become grammar schools and select according to ability and aptitude. Selection ages will be flexible and determined by the school in consultation with the local authority.
– UKIP will abolish green taxes and charges in order to reduce fuel bills.
– UKIP supports a simplified, streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap.
– We will review the BBC Licence Fee with a view to its reduction. Prosecution of non-payments of the Licence Fee would be taken out of the criminal sphere and made a civil offence.

If you can pose a counter argument as to how any of the above policies are not, as @red1 said, shrinking the state, I would be very interested to hear them.

Finally, while looking through the UKIP policies, I found this;

– Businesses should be able to discriminate in favour of young British workers.

All I know is the the Oxford English Dictionary defines discrimination as this:
make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, or age.
"existing employment policies discriminate against women"
synonyms: be biased, show prejudice, be prejudiced;
treat differently, treat as inferior, treat unfairly, put at a disadvantage,disfavour, be intolerant towards;
victimize


Ouch, UKIP.

All completely mental policies, except for the apprentice one, which I thoroughly support. The education path for the less academic in this country is appalling.

 

[Clint Planet]

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...k-schools-had-no-effect-parliamentary-inquiry

 

[Bruce Wayne]

http://www.theguardian.com/educatio...k-schools-had-no-effect-parliamentary-inquiry

You should diversify your sources mate

 

[Seanjd]

That implies that I don't read things often which is clearly wrong so, awkward...

Well, not a great track record during this debate...

Stopped reading there. Knowing numerous women who have been in that position and "just left", it is certainly a viable solution and almost always the best one. Regardless, to liken the understanding of poverty to issues of domestic violence is a terrible analogy and proves the rest of the article to be unworthy of reading.

Stopped reading an article after the byline.

tl;dr mate

Didn't read my lengthy answer back to you.

The Mail and the Star do nice short snappy article I think...

 

[Seanjd]

Jesus... One if the most influential philosophical and economic thinkers of our time and you take the ''get a real job'' line.

Comon, we all know Marx's radical, deep thinking is invalid cause he didn't have a part time job down Aldi to back it up lad. What a sponger he really was.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Comon, we all know Marx's radical, deep thinking is invalid cause he didn't have a part time job down Aldi to back to up lad. What a sponger he really was.

Used to sit at home all day watching his 50'' inch led tv

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Comon, we all know Marx's radical, deep thinking is invalid cause he didn't have a part time job down Aldi to back to up lad. What a sponger he really was.

I'd say Karl Popper does a decent enough job of spearing Marx'ian thinking to be honest.