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The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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Sounds uber utopian...I understand your argument, but wouldn't the wealthy rise the price of the magic solar paint simply on demand?

The solar paint is a good few years off I suspect, but McCarthy's house is here now, and he's done it in an existing semi-detached in Camberwell. I can't speak on his behalf but I doubt it would cost 'vast' sums.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...chadh-mccarthy-my-carbonfree-year-767115.html has a bit more. It's from 2007 so you'd imagine things have progressed a bit since then. He is an unabashed eco-warrior so be warned, but I think from a practical perspective there seem some lessons that could be learned there.
 
The solar paint is a good few years off I suspect, but McCarthy's house is here now, and he's done it in an existing semi-detached in Camberwell. I can't speak on his behalf but I doubt it would cost 'vast' sums.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...chadh-mccarthy-my-carbonfree-year-767115.html has a bit more. It's from 2007 so you'd imagine things have progressed a bit since then. He is an unabashed eco-warrior so be warned, but I think from a practical perspective there seem some lessons that could be learned there.

I don't disagree with the principle at all...but I know humans...and profits and monetary gains are really part of the experience.

If it appears affordable today...the wealthiest will drive the price up to make it unaffordable for the masses. It's the beauty of Capatalism...and ugly.

If your idea was nationalized...where the state had control, then maybe
 
I don't disagree with the principle at all...but I know humans...and profits and monetary gains are really part of the experience.

If it appears affordable today...the wealthiest will drive the price up to make it unaffordable for the masses. It's the beauty of Capatalism...and ugly.

If your idea was nationalized...where the state had control, then maybe

Could just use negawatts instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negawatt_power

As energy grids get smarter I'm sure more will be done in this area. Suffice to say it's quite a bit more complicated than just saying energy companies are bad though. To name two examples, Google are investing heavily in their NEST device, whilst a number of smart home devices emerged from the tie up between GE and Quirky (whereby GE gave the Quirky community access to a number of its patents in return for a share of any profits from the resulting products). All of the Quirky technologies are managed by the Wink app.
 
Could just use negawatts instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negawatt_power

As energy grids get smarter I'm sure more will be done in this area. Suffice to say it's quite a bit more complicated than just saying energy companies are bad though. To name two examples, Google are investing heavily in their NEST device, whilst a number of smart home devices emerged from the tie up between GE and Quirky (whereby GE gave the Quirky community access to a number of its patents in return for a share of any profits from the resulting products). All of the Quirky technologies are managed by the Wink app.

Negawatts you say? Like -1000 neg points?

WE CAN TAKE DOWN RAID BOSS CHICO, BOYS
 

Maximum respect to you lot debating negawatts and solar paint at half 8 on a Tuesday morning. That is dedication to the cause.

I'm off to make a coffee, give us a shout if anyone wants anything.


How many negawatts does it take to make a coffee?

I think we should be told.
 
Ok, so the poorest of the poor are likely to be in receipt of state aid in some way. They might quite possibly be living in state accommodation. Therefore surely it's in the domain of the state to improve their energy efficiency? Given that McCarthy's house probably uses 1-2% of the energy of the average house, I'm sure there would be some easy savings for relatively small investment that would do much more for said pensioner than lopping a few quid off of their bill.

That seems much more tangible than trying to set up some quasi-nationalized energy industry :)

You would think this should be possible, and it certainly could be if the energy companies had no say in it. The energy companies, along with banks, have the government in their back pocket and would not agree to this. It would effectively be losing the big men profits. Politicians would argue that this would be losing the country money and trading power.

Again, there was never any need to throw a necessity to the dogs and involve competition with something as important as energy. Before hand, there were more jobs available and lower prices for customers.
 
David Cameron once again outlined his plan for 'Youth Allowance' today, a £57 per week allowance for adults between the ages of 18-21. The young will be forced to undertake 30 hours/week community service in return for the allowance.

How much longer can this government continue to punish the unemployed? Instead of looking at he root cause, which of course is the lack of jobs and incredibly low degree to employment rate, this government continues to portray the victims as the problem.

To make young people perform community service (a punishment, lest we forgot, which is reserved for criminals) in return for a small amount of 'allowance' is purely degrading.

Once again, the blame of the public is diverted towards the effect, not the cause.

*edit* the report I read reported that youths will receive the allowance for 6 months before being forced into community service, however, it has been announced that community service will start from the first week of signing on.
 
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David Cameron once again outlined his plan for 'Youth Allowance' today, a £57 per week allowance for adults between the ages of 18-21. The young will be forced to undertake 30 hours/week community service in return for the allowance.

How much longer can this government continue to punish the unemployed? Instead of looking at he root cause, which of course is the lack of jobs and incredibly low degree to employment rate, this government continues to portray the victims as the problem.

To make young people perform community service (a punishment, lest we forgot, which is reserved for criminals) in return for a small amount of 'allowance' is purely degrading.

Once again, the blame of the public is diverted towards the effect, not the cause.

*edit* the report I read reported that youths will receive the allowance for 6 months before being forced into community service, however, it has been announced that community service will start from the first week of signing on.

There are universities so desperate for customers that they take young people with dreadful qualifications. Surely you'd just go to one of these and get the student finance in order to avoid Cam's slave labour!

Also, I've just read that standard JSA is £57.35 per week. How on Earth do you feed yourself and provide shelter with that?!
 
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...trengthen-unions-confront-corporate-interests

How to eradicate poverty: spend more on wages and strengthen unions
Joanna Mack

The 1980s decision to embrace the market, union-busting and deregulation, together with disinvestment in public housing and rolling privatisation is one of history’s great political blunders.


‘Reversing poverty requires a more progressive tax system and a shift in the political mindset towards accepting that poverty is driven by an accumulated reduction in opportunities, in pay and in life chances.’ Photograph: Murdo MacLeod




The findings of our four Breadline Britain, and Poverty and Social Exclusion, surveys since 1983 show that poverty in the UK is at a 30-year high. The rise is not explained by a sudden explosion of a culture of poverty, nor by out-of-control benefits. Rather, it is because of a surge in the numbers of working poor. It’s about the way that the politically driven shift in power from the workforce to corporations has shrunk the share of the cake going to the bottom half of the labour force, leaving growing numbers at the mercy of low-pay, zero-hours and insecure contracts.

This pain will continue, whoever forms the next government. Labour will cut less deeply, but both major parties plan further cuts in welfare and social spending. Yet the research is clear: what reduces poverty is the share of national income we devote to social spending. No advanced economy achieves a low poverty rate with low levels of social spending.

Reversing the poverty tide requires fundamental social and economic reform. Tinkering is not enough. It means a more progressive tax system and addressing personal and corporate tax avoidance. It requires a shift in the political mindset, away from pinning the blame on the poor themselves and towards accepting that poverty is driven by an accumulated reduction in opportunities, in pay and in life chances.

We need measures to boost the share of national income going to wages and to narrow the pay gap between top and bottom.

It also means a very different economic model. We need measures to boost the share of national income going to wages and to narrow the yawning pay gap between top and bottom. Achieving this requires much more than modest rises in the minimum wage and in the top rate of income tax. It will also mean confronting corporate interests and reversing the sustained decline in workforce bargaining power in the UK. International evidence shows that the higher the level of trade union membership, the lower the degree of inequality. Another vital measure must be a more concerted attempt to reduce the average gender pay gap by raising women’s wages. Currently the gap stands at 19%.

Such measures are critical to cutting workforce poverty levels. Yet few of them are on the political agenda. The 1980s decision to embrace the market, union-busting and deregulation, with the accompanying disinvestment in public housing and rolling privatisation is one of history’s great political blunders.

It has weakened the productive base of the economy, spread social recession and plunged millions, unnecessarily, into poverty. Despite its evident flaws, this model with its bias to capital and upflow of wealth is still very much intact. During the 1930s slump, Keynes warned of the continuing grip of old thinking, “practical men … are the slaves of some defunct economists”. This approach is only too relevant today.

Our Breadline Britain research has found a consistent and widespread agreement that citizens are entitled to a minimum standard of living that is relevant to today and sufficient to enable everyone to be full citizens. Yet British policy makers have increasingly failed to back this consensus.

One cannot be optimistic. In 2010, all the political parties signed up to the Child Poverty Act with its legal obligation to reduce poverty. That heady consensus has long been in ruins, and since then, the act’s targets effectively dumped. There are plenty of workable policies that could, with political will, cap and reverse the sustained rise in poverty, yet, in a fundamental failure of democracy, we are close to an election in which the weakest and most vulnerable part of the electorate is simply being sidelined. We must do better than this.
 
....I have to say I am concerned with Tory pre-election policy regarding youngsters and 'learn or earn'. More specifically, they talk about the path from school to the JobCentre as though that's what most kids want. It's not the case, most youngsters would be delighted with a decent job. The rhetoric behind the work for your benefit change leaves the impression that politicians think kids are happy to sit on their backsides.

The 'learn' alternative is becoming increasingly made difficult by tuition fees. I really feel for youngsters today, the public sector offered a great number of jobs and the opportunity to make a decent career, that is all but gone. The language from IDS regarding limiting the number of children to claimants and stopping monies for overweight is bordering on politically extreme. Make no mistake, this is ideology and it is a concern.
 
22% of the UK households are living in low-income housing thresholds (poverty.org.), I think that is to high a number to be able to offer large caps, british gas make less than £50 I believe on each household however every household needs heating so the numbers add up. Maybe offering low income households the prices at break-even so they don't profit of them.

It is shocking that people can't afford to heat there homes in Britain but for most not having heating isn't a life or death issue so I think large reductions should be for the most vulnerable.


Indeed very praiseworthy. Problem is how do you identify the most vulnerable. Let us be honest here there are so many dishonest persons out there that they bend every rule or would wriggle in all kinds of ways to say they are eligible.
 
You would think this should be possible, and it certainly could be if the energy companies had no say in it. The energy companies, along with banks, have the government in their back pocket and would not agree to this. It would effectively be losing the big men profits. Politicians would argue that this would be losing the country money and trading power.

Again, there was never any need to throw a necessity to the dogs and involve competition with something as important as energy. Before hand, there were more jobs available and lower prices for customers.

Not sure how it can be anything but though when we're a net importer of energy. Whenever that's the case you are reliant to a large extent on the global situation. We could use coal again but environmentally that is far from ideal. We could begin fracking, but again, there seems little real enthusiasm for that. Renewables could be hiked up, but they tend to cost more (at the moment) than fossil fuels and there remain issues with regards to stability of supply. Nuclear has been fudged by a lack of long-term planning by successive governments.

Not a great situation really and I'm not sure it was the case that nationalised utilities gave us a better deal as we had situations in the 70s where we couldn't even keep the power on regardless of how much money anyone had.

David Cameron once again outlined his plan for 'Youth Allowance' today, a £57 per week allowance for adults between the ages of 18-21. The young will be forced to undertake 30 hours/week community service in return for the allowance.

How much longer can this government continue to punish the unemployed? Instead of looking at he root cause, which of course is the lack of jobs and incredibly low degree to employment rate, this government continues to portray the victims as the problem.

To make young people perform community service (a punishment, lest we forgot, which is reserved for criminals) in return for a small amount of 'allowance' is purely degrading.

Once again, the blame of the public is diverted towards the effect, not the cause.

*edit* the report I read reported that youths will receive the allowance for 6 months before being forced into community service, however, it has been announced that community service will start from the first week of signing on.

This survey from a few years ago (http://www.bullhornreach.com/content/recruiter-survey-results) revealed that recruiters perceived long term unemployment (2 years or more) as more harmful to your job prospects than a criminal record. That to me suggests a serious issue to overcome and that filling your CV with something is much better than having large gaps.

Whether that should be mandated in return for welfare payments, I don't know. On the subject of schooling though, I met with the founder of this project today. A nice project (nice guy too). They're teaming up with IBM's Watson to make the system a bit better, which is kinda cool.

https://www.youtube.com/user/virtualschooluk

 

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