The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[red1]

Realistically, the next most likely party (after Labour) would be UKIP, but again, it's whether or not you'd see them as an improvement. I personally don't think their policies are anywhere near as bad as the Tories.

That's a flat out lie. How on earth can you say that to left wingers? UKIP are the anti-thesis of big government, what you'd get with a hypothetical UKIP govt is a massive income re-distribution from the poor to the rich. There will be cuts to everything, from social welfare right down to defence and police force. Nigel Farage himself said in the link you provided the top rate of tax is 40%, that's the top rate as well as tax cuts for the poorest. That means there will be no money coming into government, which means there will be no money coming OUT of govt.

Let nobody make any mistake, UKIP is a party by the rich, for the rich. The Conservative party are not like that, there are big government conservatives amongst the Tories (I myself am a big government conservative).

 

[chicoazul]

I look forward to the right wing civil war between the tories and UKIP. Should be ace.

 

[red1]

I look forward to the right wing civil war between the tories and UKIP. Should be ace.

UKIP are only relevant until we have an EU referendum. Once it happens, no matter what the result, UKIP will no longer be needed. They will be finished.

 

[chicoazul]

UKIP are only relevant until we have an EU referendum. Once it happens, no matter what the result, UKIP will no longer be needed. They will be finished.

The sooner the better in my book mate.

 

[malfosse]

My party NEVER lies ............

1st to demand all day pub opening
1st to allow all party members to have honorifics (without recourse to any committee)
as well as a number of other firsts that I could go on about but wont as I don't want to bore potential voters

Here is our policy on food (an essential, I think you'll all agree):

All Food sold in fast food establishments should be clearly marked
“May contain traces of real food”
All vegetables sold in supermarkets, should be clearly marked
“Strictly for oral use only”

You want to stop me putting Cucumbers up my bottom? Well you've just lost one vote mister.

 

[The Cowboy]

Serious Q: do Liverpool folk flatly refuse to vote Tory cos of Thatcher?

What exactly have Labour done for Liverpool that's so great? Seems like neither party cares much for the NW, so I don't get the great Tory hate, unless it's purely inherited from parents.

 

[chewee]

Far from hate passed down

Per person % wise Liverpool City Council faced second biggest budget cut in the country. Leafy well off Tory heartland areas, up to ten times less per person. In it together though

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/council-cuts-britains-ten-poorest-3091450

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-council-outlines-156m-budget-6681111

 

[Mrk]

Serious Q: do Liverpool folk flatly refuse to vote Tory cos of Thatcher?

What exactly have Labour done for Liverpool that's so great? Seems like neither party cares much for the NW, so I don't get the great Tory hate, unless it's purely inherited from parents.

Liverpool being a Labour stronghold precedes Thatcher - it started in the 50's I think.

 

[chicoazul]

Serious Q: do Liverpool folk flatly refuse to vote Tory cos of Thatcher?

What exactly have Labour done for Liverpool that's so great? Seems like neither party cares much for the NW, so I don't get the great Tory hate, unless it's purely inherited from parents.

She didn't help but no she's not the only reason.

They won't for the tories mostly because they're tories.

 

[Mrk]

Far from hate passed down

Per person % wise Liverpool City Council faced second biggest budget cut in the country. Leafy well off Tory heartland areas, up to ten times less per person. In it together though

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/council-cuts-britains-ten-poorest-3091450

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-council-outlines-156m-budget-6681111

Surely that's because LCC spend much more per head than "Leafy well off Tory heartlands"?

 

[chewee]

She didn't help but no she's not the only reason.

They won't for the tories mostly because they're tories.

Yes and no.

There are some Labour politicians I can relate who I believe deep down have the best interests of the working class at heart, people who understand what it's like to live outside the Westminster bubble. A small few yes but still if you look hard enough they're there

I cant say this about the tories, Im struggling to name one I can relate to. The front bench is a who's who from Eton, let's face it they're the party for toffs.

 

[No8Bally]

 

[chewee]

Surely that's because LCC spend much more per head than "Leafy well off Tory heartlands"?

It's not as simple as that though - this article sums it up well. Bigger financial burden due to economic conditions. There's a table at the bottom which lists in order of % cut each council, look at positions of Labour and Tory run councils.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...l-cuts-north-loses-out-to-the-south-newcastle

 

[Mrk]

It's not as simple as that though - this article sums it up well. Bigger financial burden due to economic conditions. There's a table at the bottom which lists in order of % cut each council, look at positions of Labour and Tory run councils.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...l-cuts-north-loses-out-to-the-south-newcastle

But again, the Tory councils likely spend much, much less, so there's not much they can actually cut from the budget, because it is already significantly smaller/more efficient than comparative Labour councils.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What I don't really get is this myth that the less well off in society are somehow being fleeced by modern politics. According to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, 28% of all income tax revenues generated last year were done so by the top 1% of earners. Just before Thatcher got in, when the country was overwhelmingly more 'left wing', that figure was 11%.