The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )
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Honestly, I would love almost all of what they're promising to actually be true, but Cameron is a snake and it won't happen.
rascal
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Do they **** deserve a chance, it's a company not a person.
CCGs are responsible to NHS England. GPs themselves are private practices, and not NHS employees, and no one accuses them of putting money before their patients.
A company is people. Presumably you think all of us running this site are equally detestable, seeing as we're a private enterprise and all?
Some people are mega weird about the NHS remaining as much of a state service as possible despite there being numerous, widespread issues with it compared to the health systems in countries that make use of a state owned system making use of private contractors.
Germany follows that system and their health service is superior.
As somebody with two parents who worked in the NHS, but not on the frontline, i've heard incredible stories about the amount of waste, both time and monetary, that occurs on a daily basis. It's a shambles.
Germany follows that system and their health service is superior.
As somebody with two parents who worked in the NHS, but not on the frontline, i've heard incredible stories about the amount of waste, both time and monetary, that occurs on a daily basis. It's a shambles.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
The NHS do spend an , awful lot of money without really worrying about it too much. GP surgerys too. Its the culture that has been around for years. Thats not to say they are bad, just that a bit of private sector thinking might free up more cash for the front line.
One tiny example. Mrs R works at the local GPS. Just started doing the supplies order. A weekly thing. A nurse said she needed a new screen or something, and Mrs R was told the supplier they use, and what to order. Cost of screen, £1400. She has a bit of nouse her does Mrs R, so looked at the catalogue of suppliers, and other options.
Basically got the bit of the screen that was damaged replaced, instead of the whole thing. Cost? £48.00
Done the same with soap dispensers. Current supplier didnt provide the dispensers free with the soap. She found one that does. 20 odd dispensers in the practice would have cost £30 each to replace, yearly. Now, zippo.
So in one day, £2000 saved, but still in the coffers of the practice. Not the suppliers who routinely rip the NHS off.
One tiny example. Mrs R works at the local GPS. Just started doing the supplies order. A weekly thing. A nurse said she needed a new screen or something, and Mrs R was told the supplier they use, and what to order. Cost of screen, £1400. She has a bit of nouse her does Mrs R, so looked at the catalogue of suppliers, and other options.
Basically got the bit of the screen that was damaged replaced, instead of the whole thing. Cost? £48.00
Done the same with soap dispensers. Current supplier didnt provide the dispensers free with the soap. She found one that does. 20 odd dispensers in the practice would have cost £30 each to replace, yearly. Now, zippo.
So in one day, £2000 saved, but still in the coffers of the practice. Not the suppliers who routinely rip the NHS off.
rascal
Player Valuation: £60m
I thought that was common knowledge on here? lol
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I am naturally skeptical of private company's improving a public service as it hasn't happened in my experience and has often been worse.
Minimeister
Player Valuation: £35m
You said someone must have made the decision in the NHS mate, I said they didn't it was the CCG who you have said are private practices.
I suppose it depends if you regard GPs as part of the NHS or not. Technically they are private people. I doubt many would regard them as such though.
Minimeister
Player Valuation: £35m
Good post mate. Another huge thing in the NHS is spending large amounts in Feb and March so your budget doesn't get cut in April. Money totally wasted on stuff no-one needs. But throughout a lot of the NHS this is now being solved by CIP savings and making Departments spend a lot less. This is working without selling off to private companies. Your point is valid, a private company would save a lot more money than the NHS but would they provide the same level of care?
I regularly hear similar stories from my other half, and have experienced it myself in the past few months as a contractor (that is paid way too much). Without a doubt, there are some fantastic people in the NHS, and a lot of great ideas and intentions, but it's madness to suggest it can't be improved.
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
By and large, I would not be comfortable with private contractors at the front line. But in other areas, private companies can be more effective than the NHS.
And I should declare an interest. My old man use to run the cleaning company that was the first, (I think) private company to work in the NHS, must have been about 30 odd years ago. Saved them £millions. Literally. And his company showed Thatcher that it was possible, because she was actually unsure that it would/could work.
He actually got christmas cards from her for a few years!
*legs it*
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Not an awful lot wrong with the NHS at that level though. Even the scandals in Bristol & Staffordshire were traced back to either rogue surgeons, and/or management failings.
I would love to see the NHS focus more on helping people stay healthy rather than treating them when they're sick. A lot of the things currently treated are preventable, lifestyle related issues. There is increasingly technology available to allow health services to monitor us remotely and step in with preventative measures before we get sick enough to warrant a trip to the doctors.
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