The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

[Bruce Wayne]

@Clint Planet you might like this.

 

[daylightrobber]

Naturally, but the basic essence of it isn't racist. Is Australia's system racist?

Ah yes, a points based system. How are these points scored in Australia and how are they going to be scored here?

UKIP constantly and consistently enflame racial tensions with discriminatory statements, out and out lies and needless scaremongering. It's the classic "foreigners are taking your jobs" routine designed to make people think that it's acceptable to be racially prejudiced. Its pretty naive to think that there is no racial bias in UKIP immigration plans.

 

[The Cowboy]

No, because race is not one of the criteria for allocating points for entry.

However it might be the case that it is. Farage last night said he might prefer someone from India or Australia over someone "from a former behind the iron curtain state".

Hence my original comment questioning your blanket statement that a points based system is not racist, it really depends upon the criteria for entry.

I actually said that the question of controlling immigration is not forbidden on the grounds of racism.

Some people seem to think that if you think we should control immigration you are a racist, before even discussing how it may be implemented.

Farage has clearly shown that he would control it in a manner that is very much racist.

 

[daylightrobber]

Bloody hell. Starting early this morning fellas.

 

[The Cowboy]

Ah yes, a points based system. How are these points scored in Australia and how are they going to be scored here?

UKIP constantly and consistently enflame racial tensions with discriminatory statements, out and out lies and needless scaremongering. It's the classic "foreigners are taking your jobs" routine designed to make people think that it's acceptable to be racially prejudiced. Its pretty naive to think that there is no racial bias in UKIP immigration plans.

Where have I said that?

 

[The Esk]

Some people seem to think that if you think we should control immigration you are a racist, before even discussing how it may be implemented.

For the record, skills based controlled immigration with no consideration for race, religion or ethnicity is clearly not racist.

Although how you have a points based system and meet EU obligations I do not know........ (and I am pro EU in a big way)

 

[daylightrobber]

Where have I said that?

I'm sorry if I've not read you right this morning. I thought the suggestion was that UKIPs immigration policy wouldn't be racist in essence. I guess on the outside it wouldn't, but dig deeper and that's exactly what's driving it.

 

[The Esk]

Bloody hell. Starting early this morning fellas.

Only 2 weeks to go mate, got to secure every GOT vote lol

Private polling in the "Everton Forum" ward is showing a big shift. Need to maintain momentum..

 

[The Cowboy]

I'm sorry if I've not read you right this morning. I thought the suggestion was that UKIPs immigration policy wouldn't be racist in essence. I guess on the outside it wouldn't, but dig deeper and that's exactly what's driving it.

UKIP's expressed policy may claim nor to be racist, but it's very clear from what Farage says that he wants to exclude based on race/religion etc.

 

[daylightrobber]

UKIP's expressed policy may claim nor to be racist, but it's very clear from what Farage says that he wants to exclude based on race/religion etc.

Exactly. Agreed.

 

[The Cowboy]

Exactly. Agreed.

But my original point was that whilst UKIP's approach is most likely racist, not all methods of immigration control are racist. Nor are you a racist for favouring any sort of control.

 

[Clint Planet]

Naturally, but the basic essence of it isn't racist. Is Australia's system racist?

It is in that if you're black you're less likely to have the chances in life or support to get to university and become an engineer or doctor or whatever.

 

[Clint Planet]

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Dickens?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Dickens?

Think it was Abraham Lincoln.

 

[1966efc]

Dickens?

A U S writer called (appropriately?) Lazarus.