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The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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No, because race is not one of the criteria for allocating points for entry.

However it might be the case that it is. Farage last night said he might prefer someone from India or Australia over someone "from a former behind the iron curtain state".

Hence my original comment questioning your blanket statement that a points based system is not racist, it really depends upon the criteria for entry.

He said that was his personal preference if it were a choice between two people with the same skills one from Australia or one from a former iron state. He then went on to say that the actual system wouldn't take this into account.
 
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Sorting out benefit delays would surely be a priority here?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/...ns-trivial-breaches-and-administrative-errors

The coalition’s benefit sanctions regime, under which more than 1 million jobseekers had their unemployment benefits stopped last year, has spawned hundreds of documentary accounts of claimants being penalised for capricious, cruel and often absurd reasons.

The recent MPs’ inquiry into sanctions heard copious evidence of claimants being docked hundreds of pounds and pitched into financial crisis for often absurdly trivial breaches of benefit conditions, or for administrative errors beyond their control.

A typical example is the following anonymised list of sanctions reported by food bank clients to the Trussell trust charity:

  1. Man who missed appointment due to being at hospital with his partner, who had just had a stillborn child.
  2. Man sanctioned for missing an appointment at the jobcentre on the day of his brother’s unexpected death. He had tried to phone Jobcentre Plus to explain, but could not get through and left a message which was consequently not relayed to the appropriate person.
  3. Man who carried out 60 job searches but missed one which matched his profile.
  4. Man had an appointment at the jobcentre on the Tuesday, was taken to hospital with a suspected heart attack that day, missed the appointment and was sanctioned for nine weeks.
  5. Man who secured employment and was due to start in three weeks. He was sanctioned in the interim period because JCP told him he was still duty bound to send his CV to other companies.
  6. Young couple who had not received any letters regarding an appointment that was thus subsequently missed. Their address at the Department for Work and Pensions was wrongly recorded. They were left with no money for over a month.
  7. One case where the claimant’s wife went into premature labour and had to go to hospital. This caused the claimant to miss an appointment. No leeway given.
  8. One man sanctioned for attending a job interview instead of Jobcentre Plus – he got the job so did not pursue grievance against the JCP.
  9. Man who requested permission to attend the funeral of his best friend; permission declined; sanctioned when he went anyway.
  10. A diabetic sanctioned and unable to buy food was sent to hospital by GP as a consequence.
Sometimes sanctions have a bizarre, nightmarish quality, such as this one, reported by Highbridge and Burnham-on-Sea food bank and cited in a recent Church Action on Poverty report:

We had a number of customers who had been sanctioned including one guy who had been sanctioned for being late for his appointment at the jobcentre because the queue was so long it took him to past his appointment time to be seen. He was sanctioned even though he had arrived at the jobcentre in plenty of time.

Or this one, cited on the A Selection Of Especially Stupid Benefit Sanctions tumblr website (and taken from a local newspaper report)

You apply for three jobs one week and three jobs the following Sunday and Monday. Because the jobcentre week starts on a Tuesday it treats this as applying for six jobs in one week and none the following week. You are sanctioned for 13 weeks for failing to apply for three jobs each week.

The consequences, however can be severe. One claimant, Glenn McDougall, recalled his experience of being sanctioned three times in written evidence to the work and pensions committee inquiry:

On the first occasion I cancelled a jobcentre appointment to go to a job interview. It was short notice however I phoned the jobcentre to inform them and was assured on the phone that it was ok. I was sanctioned two weeks JSA. I appealed this and was found to be in the right and the money was paid to me, which was great, but in the interim I had to go two weeks without a penny to my name. I missed other job interviews because I had no money for transport and went without food, electric and heating for some of that time. It was a cruel punishment issued arbitrarily, had a negative impact on my jobseeking and diminished my respect for the benefit system massively.

The committee heard that claimants with learning difficulties, were especially vulnerable to sanctioning. Here’s an example provided by the charity Mencap:

AP has a learning disability and was given 30 job searching actions every week after he applied for JSA. These actions included accessing UJM [universal job match] every week. However, he did not have the IT skills necessary to do this and was not given support by JCP [Jobcentre Plus] to do this. He had, however, still been pro-active in applying for jobs. He showed the JCP several pages of handwritten job notes. They would not accept these as they were handwritten and not using UJM. He was then sanctioned. Given his lack of IT skills and the lack of IT support by JCP, Mencap argues that handwritten notes are a reasonable adjustment. He had already been sanctioned by JCP several times.

Claimants with mental illness are also at high risk of being sanctioned, with serious health consequences. Here’s Jessica’s story, cited in research by Durham University academics Kayleigh Garthwaite and Claire Bambra:

Jessica is a 23-year-old woman, who was 22 weeks pregnant when she came to the foodbank. She had walked over two miles to get here as she cannot afford the bus fare from her flat. Jessica explained that she was receiving ESA [employment support allowance] for mental health problems following the stillborn birth of her first child eight months ago. Jessica was sanctioned for not attending a work-focused interview appointment – her mental health problems prevented her from leaving the house on that particular day. She received a foodbank referral from the Citizens Advice Bureau after seeking help for her mounting debts following her sanction. Jessica had not eaten a proper cooked meal for two weeks, and was instead relying on her sister’s children’s leftovers. Jessica explained: “I haven’t had my fridge or cooker switched on for three weeks, I can’t afford the electric. I sold the telly last week – there was no point in keeping it ‘cos I couldn’t afford to use it anyway.” As Jessica is 22 weeks pregnant, she knows she needs to eat healthily for herself and her unborn child, but currently cannot afford to adequately heat her home or feed herself.

The cross-party group of MPs on the committee has called for an independent review of sanctions. According to committee chair Anne Begg:

We agree that benefit conditionality is necessary but it is essential that policy is based on clear evidence of what works in terms of encouraging people to take up the support which is available to help them get back into work. The policy must then be applied fairly and proportionately. The system must also be capable of identifying and protecting vulnerable people, including those with mental health problems and learning disabilities. And it should avoid causing severe financial hardship. The system as currently applied does not always achieve this.
 
Funny that ukip haven't been invited to one of the daily politics debates. The one they haven't been invited to is defense and security. But, the greens have been invited. Quite hillarious. lol
 
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/5788dbac-7680-11e0-b05b-00144feabdc0.html

Britain was right to sell off its pile of gold

By Alan Beattie

The continued run of the gold price is a global investment sensation. Recently it broke the $1,500 an ounce barrier for the first time, 30 per cent higher than a year ago. Surely this lays bare the extraordinary foolishness of Gordon Brown’s announcement, 12 years ago this week, that the UK Treasury would sell off some of Britain’s gold holdings?

Actually, no. On this one occasion, Mr Brown’s decision was the right one. Let speculators go gambling on a shiny metal, if they want to. For most governments in rich countries, holding gold remains a largely pointless activity.

With hindsight, of course, Mr Brown could have gained a better price by waiting. At current rates, the $3.5bn the UK received selling bullion between 1999 and 2002 would have been closer to $19bn. The difference at current exchange rates, by the way, would be enough to cover a little over three weeks of the UK’s expected public deficit for the fiscal year 2010-2011 – not negligible, but hardly pivotal.

Mr Brown, his critics say, must be kicking himself. Similarly, the French no doubt still suffer sleepless nights for prematurely taking profit on their Louisiana claim by offloading it to Thomas Jefferson in 1803. And had I put my life savings on Ballabriggs at 20-1 before last month’s Grand National, I’d be writing this on a solid platinum laptop while being sprayed with pink champagne in my new beachfront villa in Barbados.

That is the way of things with speculative assets. The truth is that no one has a good explanation why the gold price is currently where it is. The familiar story – a hedge against inflation or government insolvency – is flatly contradicted by the low yields and inflation expectations in US Treasury bonds. The volatility of gold (and other precious metals – witness the huge drop in silver prices this week) merely underlines the risk of holding it. The $1,500 landmark is a nominal price: had governments listened to the bullion fanatics and loaded up on gold in the last big bull market in the early 1980s, they would still be waiting to earn their money back in real terms.

More substantively, criticism of Mr Brown’s sale also betrays a misunderstanding of why a country such as the UK has gold at all.

In common with most rich nations, the function of British foreign exchange reserves is not for the government to manage wealth on behalf of the country. British citizens do that themselves. The UK does not have a sovereign wealth fund that aims to maximise returns, and nor should it. It is not a big net oil and gas exporter such as Norway – UK net foreign exchange reserves are about $40bn, equivalent to 2 per cent of nominal gross domestic product, while Norway’s sovereign fund has $525bn, equivalent to almost 140 per cent of its GDP.

Nor does the UK pile up foreign assets by persistently selling its own currency to manipulate the exchange rate, as does China. It is notable that the much-vaunted official purchases of gold over the past year are mainly by countries such as China and Russia – and, to a lesser extent, Mexico – with big excess reserves.

UK reserves are there mainly for precautionary reasons – to intervene in currency markets to stop a run on sterling or to pursue monetary policy objectives. Yet gold is badly suited for this task because, despite recent interest from private investors, a large proportion of global above-ground stocks – 18 per cent in 2010 – is still held by governments.

Any attempt to sell off large amounts quickly risks driving down the world price, which is what happened after Mr Brown’s announcement in 1999, leading to an international agreement between central banks to restrict further sales.

A precautionary reserve asset held for intervention purposes whose price is likely to fall the instant it is used to intervene is singularly pointless. Of course, central banks selling into a rising market like today’s may not have the same impact as in 1999, but who knows what demand for gold will be like if and when the intervention is needed?

There remains only one other main reason for governments to hold gold – to set monetary policy by linking the national currency to the gold price. This remains as bad an idea as ever. It would have meant sharply tightening monetary policy since the fall of 2008. This would have been madness.

Private investors, and sovereign wealth funds out to make returns, can punt their money on what they like. If they choose to plonk it down on the blackjack table of the commodity markets, that is their decision. But there is no good reason that governments that hold reserves for purely precautionary purposes should feel the need to follow them.

He artificially created low prices for the gold. It wasn't just the fact that gold prices have now gone up, that can be forgiven.
 

Ok, this looks at polarisation in American politics, but the principle holds true here too I think.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507

They found that as cooperation across the aisle has declined, so too has Congress's ability to get anything done. Not only has the number of House bills that pass gone down, so too has the number of bills that are proposed in the first place.

In other words, fewer ideas are being proposed, and less progress is being made. It kinda underlines the importance of the parties being able to work together on things.
 
He artificially created low prices for the gold. It wasn't just the fact that gold prices have now gone up, that can be forgiven.

My understanding of this (which is limited - I'm happy to admit I'm no expert) is that there was an attempt to deflate the price of gold so that certain US banks, who were on the verge of collapse (ironic I know) could replenish their stocks. Was this a shady practice? Quite possibly. Was it required to stave off financial meltdown? Quite probably. The reason I think that it was, is because Brown announced in advance he was going to sell off a lot of the countries gold reserves. There was no secrecy about it.

Despite what a lot of people say, Gordon Brown was (and is) an exceptional world economist. I have heard this 1st hand from a family friend who was a founding member of the BOE Monetary Policy Committee and currently holds a significant position at the OBR. I know this sounds like a jarg transfer rumour type claim, I'm happy for you to take it or leave it, its your choice. Brown didn't just want to see a few extra pennies in the country's coffers. There was a reason for his actions. As the article I posted earlier suggested, the 'loss' to the country in the scheme of things was quite small. If he hadn't have sold the gold, things could've been a lot worse.
 
My understanding of this (which is limited - I'm happy to admit I'm no expert) is that there was an attempt to deflate the price of gold so that certain US banks, who were on the verge of collapse (ironic I know) could replenish their stocks. Was this a shady practice? Quite possibly. Was it required to stave off financial meltdown? Quite probably. The reason I think that it was, is because Brown announced in advance he was going to sell off a lot of the countries gold reserves. There was no secrecy about it.

Despite what a lot of people say, Gordon Brown was (and is) an exceptional world economist. I have heard this 1st hand from a family friend who was a founding member of the BOE Monetary Policy Committee and currently holds a significant position at the OBR. I know this sounds like a jarg transfer rumour type claim, I'm happy for you to take it or leave it, its your choice. Brown didn't just want to see a few extra pennies in the country's coffers. There was a reason for his actions. As the article I posted earlier suggested, the 'loss' to the country in the scheme of things was quite small. If he hadn't have sold the gold, things could've been a lot worse.

Thanks for posting this mate.

I too can validate your family friends' view of Brown.

As I have said on many occasions on here, history will look back far more favourably on Brown than the current view.

He was (is) a hugely complex character, totally unsuited for the role of party leader and PM because of those complexities but he was a brilliant political strategist and economist.
 
Browns biggest mistake was he never called a quick election when Labour were riding high, and the tories were all over the place so we ended up with the last shambles of a coalition Government, a major mistake!
He came to life in the Scottish Referendum you could see the fire in him, but it was not showing when he was PM!
Blair was kept for far to long - only if John Smith would have not sadly past away - Blair would have never seen no 10!
 
Browns biggest mistake was he never called a quick election when Labour were riding high, and the tories were all over the place so we ended up with the last shambles of a coalition Government, a major mistake!
He came to life in the Scottish Referendum you could see the fire in him, but in was not showing when he was PM!
Blair was kept for far to long - only if John Smith would have not sadly past away - Blair would have never seen no 10!

Smith & Brown would have been a formidable partnership.
 

Mandelson's book paints Brown as moody and sulky, however even the Prince of Darkness conceded that Brown had a mind like no other.

He was a forward thinker, a practical economist who was actually quite free of ideological underpinnings and intellectually more talented then Blair.

He had a stubbornness problem which hampered him when his remit was more than that of chancellor. He did not have all the answers when it came to other policy areas.

I think he was a real leader amongst leaders when he rescued us from a far worse financial crisis.
 
Browns biggest mistake was he never called a quick election when Labour were riding high, and the tories were all over the place so we ended up with the last shambles of a coalition Government, a major mistake!
He came to life in the Scottish Referendum you could see the fire in him, but it was not showing when he was PM!
Blair was kept for far to long - only if John Smith would have not sadly past away - Blair would have never seen no 10!

Was he not about to when the Tories mooted the friggin idea of Right to Buy which resulted in a huge swing in the polls?
 

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