Possibly. I suppose their rationale is that with limited time available, five might be too much. Who knows. I don't suppose the events will change much either way. Most people already know how they'll vote don't they?
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Possibly. I suppose their rationale is that with limited time available, five might be too much. Who knows. I don't suppose the events will change much either way. Most people already know how they'll vote don't they?
Coach
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Haha. You've got nothing.
You asked for evidence - I gave it to you. The evidence shows the NHS to be the best healthcare system.
You have no evidence to the contrary and that's why you come out with tripe like this
Of course "you don't have a position" - yeah, sure thing. Whatever you say.
You asked for evidence - I gave it to you. The evidence shows the NHS to be the best healthcare system.
You have no evidence to the contrary and that's why you come out with tripe like this
Of course "you don't have a position" - yeah, sure thing. Whatever you say.
Sorry mate, is your autocorrect facility set to English?
I think it can be improved, just like anything else. Are you suggesting it can't be? Are you suggesting that there is nothing that can be learned from how other organisations around the world operate? I also think there is an awful lot that effects the health of the nation that the NHS has very little input into, so yes, it isn't the entirety of healthcare in the UK.
Lets not be revisionist here. You were talking about spending on the NHS and using that as a stick to beat the government with. I suggested that spending often has very little bearing on the quality of the output, at which point you produced two papers that stopped measuring output in 2005. That's hardly very enlightening to any analysis of whether spending over the last 4-5 years has contributed to a fall in quality (which your think tank related report suggests it has not).
Lets not be revisionist here. You were talking about spending on the NHS and using that as a stick to beat the government with. I suggested that spending often has very little bearing on the quality of the output, at which point you produced two papers that stopped measuring output in 2005. That's hardly very enlightening to any analysis of whether spending over the last 4-5 years has contributed to a fall in quality (which your think tank related report suggests it has not).
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You can't have it both ways though Esk. You can't criticise the US system for being horrendously expensive, and then critisise the UK system for not spending enough. Re the cartoon, it's probably more likely to be a case of getting an expert on the line who can advise from wherever they are in the world.
http://www.economist.com/news/inter...lution-may-last-be-about-arrive-stuck-waiting
There are clear examples of organisations around the world doing a very good job for less money than it costs in the west. Indeed, the NHS Institute for Innovation share that view too - http://www.institute.nhs.uk/quality...ality_and_service_improvement_tools/lean.html
There is also very likely to be input from computers into surgical decision making in the next few years as they can process a vast quantity of medical research and literature better than we can.
Heck, it's already at the stage where many patients arrive at their GP as well informed on their condition as their doctor, and it's an outdated concept that the doctor knows all and bestows their wisdom upon an ignorant and complicit patient.
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Lower cost healthcare Inc.
As somebody who has two parents that work/ed in the NHS, i can say with a fair amount of certainty that there could be massive cost savings made in the NHS without a noticeable drop in patient care.
In the words of my mother:
"The biggest problem with the NHS is that you can be absolutely terrible at your job, but you won't get sacked, because managers would rather move you to another trust with a letter of recommendation than go through the 'trouble' of firing you or undertaking disciplinary action. Happens all the time"
There are people who are known to be fiddling their mileage claims for example, but nobody does anything, because the managers don't want hassle.
A colleague of mine's daughter was sent to sort out a health trust in England and look at cost saving. She found multiple people on 'advisor' salaries who were contributing nothing and costing nearly £300k a year. When she highlighted this and tried to have their positions terminated, she had a discrimination claim filed against her...
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The Esk
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No one is saying there can't be savings and efficiency savings however I put it to you and everyone else that the NHS is the greatest healthcare sysyem in the world.
As such it needs the greatest commitment to funding and care by its funder, the Government and this can only be achieved by a Labour Government, of this there is no doubt.
By the way don't take my word for it look up the Commonwealth Fund, a Washington based foundation that states unequvocably the NHS is the greatest health care system. It also shows the US system to be the worst.
Its time the NHS spending is viewed as an investment in the Country's overall health and not just a cost to the taxpayer. As such the more that is invested the better the outcome.
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LOL. You have no evidence for this whereas I have provided the evidence for the exact opposite. The NHS is the most cost effective healthcare system in the world according to the latest research.
Where do they express this view? Certainly not in that link.
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Doesnt mean it cant be improved. In its use of cash I mean.
And if it wasnt such a political football.
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Of course not but cutting spending on it and wasting £3bn on an unwanted and unneccessary top-down reorganisation isn't going to make it better.
roydo
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Agree re the reorganisation. Just bonkers. Like that IT system as well. Cost like £10billion or something. Its not just the NHS. It seems Quangos and Governments just seem to be pretty fast and loose with other peoples money.
And was introduced during Labour rule.
But Labour are undoubtedly the best people to look after the NHS
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