The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%

  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%

  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%

  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%

  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%
  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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Clint Planet said:
Sorry, misread your question there.

With the greatest of respect, mate, it usually quickly degenerates into that "Okay, wiseguy, tell us the answer, will you" stuff (and I do know that you're not asking me in that tone!) and I tend to say that I don't necessarily have the answer but I do think it's important to question everything and to accept nothing. The British political system is a massive arcane behemoth which de facto excludes us - me and you - (as oposed to Brennan's supposedly mythical "The Man). It depends on us not being arsed to question things. While we watch our instantly accessible movies and live games, the system rolls on. We get the impression we're in a democracy and yet our rights are being stripped away, we have very little say in what our country is doing and the ruling class continue to feather their beds. And we don't even question it.

What would I do? Hell, I don't know. It's not my job to provide a solution. But I'll sure as hell scream blue murder about what's going on right now and ask for someting much fairer.

The (mythical) Man depends on us all not doing so...
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The idea of "The Man" as a social construct is a myth and does not help understanding the complexities of the world in any way, it only muddies the waters.
 

roydo said:
I think it is folly to wed yourself to a political party, "come what may", that is only reserved to your kids and your football club.

I dislike, as a political body, socialists . Now I have tons of mates who are, and thats what I mean. As a concept, I disagree with their solutions to the worlds ills, but not, by and large, their motives.

I believe that the only way you can deliver the outcomes everyone wants, is via a stable, growing economy. End of. And I have lived through enough Labour governments who have ballsed that up, or inherited a decent set of cards and wasted the benefits.

I loath UKIP. I love the UK. I think one of the finest MPs in the HOC is Andy Burnham. I think Cameron is well intentioned. And I dont buy the "Tories want to kill the poor" nonsense that gets peddled.

Ed Balls is an idiot. Milliband has been a pasty to the unions. The Tories should think before the jump on the NHS.

But on balance, I vote for my local MP, who is sound. A bit right wing to my liking on some issues, but his opponents have been a shambles.

That probably wont help.
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It might not help but it was a good read nonetheless.

You're right about party affiliation, I'm nowhere near a partisan and I don't think it makes sense to be one. The fact that politicians can be shady crooks doesn't help too, just ask all those students who voted for Nick Clegg. You don't get what's written on the tin in politics.
 
The rich, the talented, the ambitious, the academically gifted, the motivated and the connected can and will always look after themselves and succeed under any Government. That's not an issue in politics and I wish politicians would recognise this and move on. For me personally it is irrelevant who is in Government, it really has no effect on my standard of living.

What defines the good and bad in politics is the effect of policy on the poor, the weak, the under-educated or unskilled, the elderly, the disabled, sick and those not capable of determining their own outcomes. That's why I'm a socialist - because I believe only socialism offers improvement to the needy.

The most important thing is how does a Government treat those in need of Government sponsored (paid) services - education, health and social services. It is only by adequately supporting these services that we can improve the quality of life of those not able to do so for themselves. The result of lifting their quality of life is that each of us improves our own quality of life. We become a richer society in every respect.
 
roydo said:
I think it is folly to wed yourself to a political party, "come what may", that is only reserved to your kids and your football club.

I dislike, as a political body, socialists . Now I have tons of mates who are, and thats what I mean. As a concept, I disagree with their solutions to the worlds ills, but not, by and large, their motives.

I believe that the only way you can deliver the outcomes everyone wants, is via a stable, growing economy. End of. And I have lived through enough Labour governments who have ballsed that up, or inherited a decent set of cards and wasted the benefits.

I loath UKIP. I love the UK. I think one of the finest MPs in the HOC is Andy Burnham. I think Cameron is well intentioned. And I dont buy the "Tories want to kill the poor" nonsense that gets peddled.

Ed Balls is an idiot. Milliband has been a pasty to the unions. The Tories should think before the jump on the NHS.

But on balance, I vote for my local MP, who is sound. A bit right wing to my liking on some issues, but his opponents have been a shambles.

That probably wont help.
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That's a superb post @roydo even if I disagree politically with you. I applaud your eloquence on the subject.
 
red1 said:
Sadly, I don't think many people care. We're not like Americans who are alert to every encroachment of their liberties. It's one of the things that attracted me to the Conservative party...the Labour party had a vision of a government which has no limits. Unfortunately, the Conservative party is the exact same...the government is getting bigger and bigger and there's nothing really we can do about it.
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Americans think that "being alert to every encroachment on their liberties" (even if the majority live in rather crappy conditions [three weeks holiday a year and very few employment rights?] and many millions live in abject poverty) empowers them, somehow. It doesn't, quite clearly.

The most vulnerable in society are constantly sold short on the USA and in Tory Britain. "Liberty" is a very different concept to children born into privilege or poverty. How "free" is a child born in Huyton or South Central compared to one born in Chelsea or Midtown Manhatten? What "liberty" do they truly experience?
 

Brennan said:
The idea of "The Man" as a social construct is a myth and does not help understanding the complexities of the world in any way, it only muddies the waters.
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Wow, where did you read that? I was almost put in my place there.

I was using the term flippantly to make a serious point - I suspect most people probably got that and felt no need to fixate on it.

How muddy those waters look right now though. Is the youth of today really so obsessed with technicalities and details at the expense of enlightenment, equality and - FFS - fairness?

Welcome to C21. :(
 
Clint Planet said:
Wow, where did you read that? I was almost put in my place there.

I was using the term flippantly to make a serious point - I suspect most people probably got that and felt no need to fixate on it.

How muddy those waters look right now though. Is the youth of today really so obsessed with technicalities and details at the expense of enlightenment, equality and - FFS - fairness?

Welcome to C21. :(
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There's been none of that from you unfortunately.
 
Next years election, i have no inspiration to vote for any of the parties involved. I would abstain but my council is currently held by a small minority of one of the worst tories in this day of age. He is 5 years younger than me and became an MP at 26 and since then he has voted against gay marriage, wanted 20% VAT but voted against taxing bankers bonuses.

Ed Millaband is a big disappointment to me, i voted for Andy Burnham to be leader. But, i would have been happy with David.

John Smith would have been this countries greatest leader, such a shame.
 

Moomin said:
Next years election, i have no inspiration to vote for any of the parties involved. I would abstain but my council is currently held by a small minority of one of the worst tories in this day of age. He is 5 years younger than me and became an MP at 26 and since then he has voted against gay marriage, wanted 20% VAT but voted against taxing bankers bonuses.

Ed Millaband is a big disappointment to me, i voted for Andy Burnham to be leader. But, i would have been happy with David.

John Smith would have been this countries greatest leader, such a shame.
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Who is this ?
 

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