The Championship

[Norman_Conquest]

Rather bath me dad than watch championship football.

You better get him a towel ready.

 

[GP_Monty]

Some horrible, dull clubs in that championship table that I was already sick of when they were in the prem.

Middlesbrough,
Bromwich,
Norwich,
Huddersfield

Gross.

 

[Neiler]

I don't think we get the changes we need to rediscover our identity as a club, without a relegation and time spent in the championship. It will be humiliating to spend the last season at GP outside the top flight, but I don't fear relegation any more. If we ever plan to rebuild, we need to do it at a level where we can win football matches regularly and achieve a sustainable style of play. We haven't played proper football in a decade now.

If we stay up this year, without huge changes we will probably go down next year. It's not sustainable and we need to get out of this cycle.

All that said, I obviously hope we don't go down, but as I said, I no longer fear the concept of relegation, just the embarassment of it more than anything.

I have no faith in a rebuild regardless of the league mate, our hierarchy has 0 self awareness and are very arrogant - January and to an extent last seasons summer window proved that to me.

We will go down and the logic will be, sure we have a PL squad we will be grand, i wouldn't have a lot of confidence in us coming straight back up.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I have no faith in a rebuild regardless of the league mate, our hierarchy has 0 self awareness and are very arrogant - January and to an extent last season proved that to me.

We will go down and the logic will be, sure we have a PL squad we will be grand, i wouldn't have a lot of confidence in us coming straight back up.

Only way the owner and board change is with relegation in my opinion. I believe we will more than likely have a new hierarchy if we get relegated.

 

[Jacko93]

On penalties.

After Pickford saves, then has to have it retaken cause his heel left the line.




Or did it..........

 

[Simon Buttle]

In pure football terms we have been second fiddle since the late 80s. By the time Kendall had returned for his 2nd spell we had fallen significantly behind by then. It wasn't irretrievable though.

As much as I'd like the Moyes era back, as someone who has seen us win league titles, I don't regard that as any form of halcyon period.

When you consider the Premier League ever-presents, plus Man City, we are the only club in that group that have been cut adrift. Clubs like Villa with a similar profile have been up and down. Forest were down for a generation.

It's largely inevitable therefore that we would go down eventually given we have never got our act together in the modern era, and competition has increased. We can't compete with Brighton and Brentford as it stands, who are our peer clubs now?

Relegation is disastrous on so many fronts, but it's been coming and not entirely due to the mismanagement since Ancelotti left. It's been coming on so many fronts and just disguised by a plethora of false dawns and false hope.

It would be a harsh reality but the pill is already bitter. If it happens I think a different club will emerge, and we would have to wait and see how things develop.

Thank god someone finally said it, as Southall said, too many have become acceptant of being 'best of the rest' which is not what this club was ever about. I have always said the same. When the PL first started it signalled football turning from a sport into a business and Kenwright has never had and never will have the sort of money required to play at the top table and something should have been done to stop it at the time as now the rest is history and we are so far behind our peers I don't think we will ever catch back up again.

 

[Melchizedek]

Only way the owner and board change is with relegation in my opinion. I believe we will more than likely have a new hierarchy if we get relegated.

Part of me agrees, but another part says there is no way Kenwright walks away after we get relegated. He will stay on trying to get us promoted to not tarnish his "legacy" and leave us in a lower division.
This will be much akin to when a drowning person drowns their rescuer because they are trying keep their own heads above water. Billy Liar will cling to Everton pushing us into further depths of the football pyramid in an effort to save his own ego.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Thank god someone finally said it, as Southall said, too many have become acceptant of being 'best of the rest' which is not what this club was ever about. I have always said the same. When the PL first started it signalled football turning from a sport into a business and Kenwright has never had and never will have the sort of money required to play at the top table and something should have been done to stop it at the time as now the rest is history and we are so far behind our peers I don't think we will ever catch back up again.

bluster-bill wasn't owner at the start of the PL. And I'd very happily go back to Moyes delivering fifths and sixths on a budget right now, cos Simon, we are on the brink here.

 

[The Blue Watch]

Not sure what's worse, getting relegated or having to go to Stoke again

 

[Simon Buttle]

bluster-bill wasn't owner at the start of the PL. And I'd very happily go back to Moyes delivering fifths and sixths on a budget right now, cos Simon, we are on the brink here.

I know he wasn't but he was hanging about in the background on the board. You can have Moyes back if you want, West Ham fans would probably drive him back up north. I know we are on the brink and if it happens then it happens tbh, we have sat for far too long as a fanbase letting these people who run the club take the absolute **** out of the fans, first it was Kenwright and now it's Moshiri. We are the laughing stock of the league and rightly so. Just have to hope that some sort of minor miracle keeps us up but I don't see it.

 

[MikeH72]

Some horrible, dull clubs in that championship table that I was already sick of when they were in the prem.

Middlesbrough,
Bromwich,
Norwich,
Huddersfield

Gross.

About to add another one to that list when we join them.

 

[andy4efc]

I have no faith in a rebuild regardless of the league mate, our hierarchy has 0 self awareness and are very arrogant - January and to an extent last seasons summer window proved that to me.

We will go down and the logic will be, sure we have a PL squad we will be grand, i wouldn't have a lot of confidence in us coming straight back up.

Not sure we do like....

Burnley lad in work says he wasnt that bothered when they went down, granted hes seen them down there plenty anyway, but said the other side of it, he knew they'd go down, back to seeing them win games often, his son will get more engaged with it as its much more positive and a much better experience.

Can't say im excited at that prospect, but at least my nephews would probably enjoy it more. Everton have killed his blind optimism. He used to say we will win 2-0, 3-0, 3-1 regardless of who we are playing. These days he just goes, "i think we will draw"

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

my concern if we went down is how would this team handle the pressure of being expected to win each week, and how would they cope with being favourites to win the league because they will be. They've bottled game after game over the years and the moment the stakes are high you can pretty much guarantee they brick it and go hiding.
Regardless of who stays and who goes there will be an expectation that we should come straight back up and i don't think this group of players will be able to carry that weight of expectation. We've become a club that strives for mediocracy, aspires to be average because that's what those at the top are comfortable with , that's what they deal in and I don't think the league we're playing in changes what has now become a culture within the club.
Add to that every other club in the championship will see us as a big scalp. Our players will be kicked off the park most weekend, they won't be respected, they won't be liked and considering how they can't win an away game for love nor money because the atmosphere isn't nice, how they crumble the moment Goodison falls silent because they've given us nothing to get excited about for 70 minutes... i just don't see them having the confidence or the arrogance needed to come straight back up.

 

[Curtis]

I don't think we get the changes we need to rediscover our identity as a club, without a relegation and time spent in the championship. It will be humiliating to spend the last season at GP outside the top flight, but I don't fear relegation any more. If we ever plan to rebuild, we need to do it at a level where we can win football matches regularly and achieve a sustainable style of play. We haven't played proper football in a decade now.

If we stay up this year, without huge changes we will probably go down next year. It's not sustainable and we need to get out of this cycle.

All that said, I obviously hope we don't go down, but as I said, I no longer fear the concept of relegation, just the embarassment of it more than anything.

I understand your outlook and I would love an everton renaissance , for me im less optimistic, as the problem is that under current circumstances that necessary rebuild would be overseen by the clowns that got us relegated (if we end up in the championship) and I have no confidence they would be able to make sound decisions to resurrct the club because with our hefty earners we would take a major bath on losses I feel relegation could be the next step towards full implosion and further marginalization of a once hallowed club where we eventually end up in league 2 in administration due to the halfwits that operate our club

 

[SunKing]

my concern if we went down is how would this team handle the pressure of being expected to win each week, and how would they cope with being favourites to win the league because they will be. They've bottled game after game over the years and the moment the stakes are high you can pretty much guarantee they brick it and go hiding.
Regardless of who stays and who goes there will be an expectation that we should come straight back up and i don't think this group of players will be able to carry that weight of expectation. We've become a club that strives for mediocracy, aspires to be average because that's what those at the top are comfortable with , that's what they deal in and I don't think the league we're playing in changes what has now become a culture within the club.
Add to that every other club in the championship will see us as a big scalp. Our players will be kicked off the park most weekend, they won't be respected, they won't be liked and considering how they can't win an away game for love nor money because the atmosphere isn't nice, how they crumble the moment Goodison falls silent because they've given us nothing to get excited about for 70 minutes... i just don't see them having the confidence or the arrogance needed to come straight back up.

I'd assume there will be wholesale changes, changes enforced due to a fire sale and changes to suit the new league we'd be in. It'll be the managers job to make sure those players know what is required week in week out. I do sincerely believe Dyche is the best man to get whatever squad we have back in to the Premier League should the worst happen.

I think he'll know enough by the which characters can get us out the division and which cant. The emphasis will shift. It will move from 'stay up at all costs' to 'lets take this club back to big league in a new stadium' which could see a complete mindset change in the players.