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The David Moyes debate

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Number_25

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So after the loss to our Merseyside rivals a lot has been said on the forum regarding whether Moyes is up to the job. I can't say that I wasn't expecting this as after the game I could of quite easily called for him to lose his job, but on further inspection I've decided not to.

This is because of what he's done at the club in the time he has been here.

- Fantastic job on ensuring that we stay in the league.
- Fantastic job working with Bill Kenwright on ensuring that the club is in a 'secure' financial position.
- Looking over the development of Finch Farm.

- Signing players such as –

Seamus Coleman - £150,000 from Silgo Rovers
Tim Cahill - £1,500,000 from Millwall
Mikel Arteta - £2,000,000 from Real Sociedad
Maroune Fellaini - £15,500,000 from Standard Leige
Phil Neville - £3,500,000 from Manchester United
Nigel Martyn - £250,000 from Leeds United
Leighton Baines - £6,000,000 from Wigan Athletic
Steven Pienaar - £2,000,000 from Borussia Dortmund
Tim Howard - £3,000,000 from Manchester United
Phil Jagielka - £4,000,000 from Sheffield United
Joleon Lescott - £2,000,000 from Wolverhampton Wanderers
and many more

- Building about 3 new teams in 10 years.
- Keeping competitive.
- Consecutive top 8 finishes.
- Re-branding of the club.
- 4th placed finish in 2005.
- FA Cup Finalists in 2009.
- Brought stability to a club that was in termoil.


So after that long list, you cant really say he's gash?

It's too easy to go out and spend loads of money and have lots of success in a short period of time.

But we're looking at a long-term strategy here which will hopefully lead to much prolounged success in the future.

Keep the hope.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
 
He's brought stability which I am grateful for. However he his still tactically inept and has been for years, square pegs round holes every season, hell bent on stick to the 4-4-1-1 and his players are more focussed on defending than attacking. Time to go with a big thank you Davey
 

nsno-chris said:
He's brought stability which I am grateful for. However he his still tactically inept and has been for years, square pegs round holes every season, hell bent on stick to the 4-4-1-1 and his players are more focussed on defending than attacking. Time to go with a big thank you Davey
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Who would want to manage our club though?
 
He may not have spent much in his time because he wasn't allowed to, but up to yesterday we had a squad of players with enough quality to be placed 7th in the Premier League, and then he ****s it in the biggest match of our season (not taking into account the capitulation at analfield).

His time is done, let's move on before the end of the season, we're safe for this year let's have a new manager who can bring some life and vitality to the squad. And no I have no ****ing idea who it should be so don't ask.
 
Number_25 said:
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So after the loss to our Merseyside rivals a lot has been said on the forum regarding whether Moyes is up to the job. I can't say that I wasn't expecting this as after the game I could of quite easily called for him to lose his job, but on further inspection I've decided not to.

This is because of what he's done at the club in the time he has been here.

- Fantastic job on ensuring that we stay in the league.
- Fantastic job working with Bill Kenwright on ensuring that the club is in a 'secure' financial position.
- Looking over the development of Finch Farm.

- Signing players such as –

Seamus Coleman - £150,000 from Silgo Rovers
Tim Cahill - £1,500,000 from Millwall
Mikel Arteta - £2,000,000 from Real Sociedad
Maroune Fellaini - £15,500,000 from Standard Leige
Phil Neville - £3,500,000 from Manchester United
Nigel Martyn - £250,000 from Leeds United
Leighton Baines - £6,000,000 from Wigan Athletic
Steven Pienaar - £2,000,000 from Borussia Dortmund
Tim Howard - £3,000,000 from Manchester United
Phil Jagielka - £4,000,000 from Sheffield United
Joleon Lescott - £2,000,000 from Wolverhampton Wanderers
and many more

- Building about 3 new teams in 10 years.
- Keeping competitive.
- Consecutive top 8 finishes.
- Re-branding of the club.
- 4th placed finish in 2005.
- FA Cup Finalists in 2009.
- Brought stability to a club that was in termoil.


So after that long list, you cant really say he's gash?

It's too easy to go out and spend loads of money and have lots of success in a short period of time.

But we're looking at a long-term strategy here which will hopefully lead to much prolounged success in the future.

Keep the hope.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
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Nice post, and i do like the sentiments, so i apologise for taking a trip to negative town here.

- No silverware in 10 years while the likes of Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Birmingham have tasted success. As well as the usual suspects of United, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool.
- Team has stagnated in recent years, and thats as much to do with Moyes being tactically inept, negative, naive and reactive as opposed to proactive in his management style, as it has with lack of funds.
- As you would expect with any manager in charge of one club for a significant period of time, he has signed some gems, but his record overall is no more than OK. For every Baines and Lescott there has been a Bilyaletdinov and Kroldrup. What you would have to ask is a) Have we got the most out of the players that he bought (i.e were they sold at the right time) or b) Has their market value increased in their time here?

Moyes did extraordinarily to not only keep us in the Premier League but to maintain top half finishes and even a few mildly successful European ventures. And for that I will be eternally grateful, that is a long term strategy that I cannot argue with. But once we got there, more needed to be done to prolong it. The issue I have is that i feel he has taken us as far as he possibly can. And from here, with Moyes in charge, in my opinion the team will continue to stagnate. I don't feel he is taking us backwards, but I do feel we are standing still, which is something you can ill-afford in Football nowadays.

The funny thing is, it hasn't been that bad a season in the league. 7th, narrowly missing out on Europe and a Semi Final. Not bad at all, but it could have been so much better had basic basic things been done right, on and off the pitch. That is why I feel now is when we need to change.

My concern is the average age of our first team is getting on and we don't have the funds in place to rebuild again. I don't think he has been as clever as he could have in the transfer market, and I'm not quite sure what the future holds for this team. But i do feel that if we are to progress, it won't be with Moyes at the helm.

I don't imagine for a moment that Moyes will be sacked as Kenwright believes he can do no wrong. But I'd hope he leaves before the likes of Distin, Neville, Cahill, Osman and Hibbert inevitably hit the decline and need replacing. With a new manager, under a new brand of Football, I feel this team can do better than what it currently is.

Stability is vital for any club, but there is a fine line between being stable and being comfortable. And I feel now is time for a change.
 

If anyone can bring a managers name to my attention who's had a similar budget and has had better league placings than Everton I will happily say Moyes time is up, using Birmingham, Portsmouth and Middlesboro as an example is a piss take because I'd rather have real long stability and strong premier league finishes season after season than win a Carling cup and get relegated, for me personally the top and bottom of it is - we could have Pep Quardiola in charge if you've got Bill Kenwright as chairman you won't have any real success in football, I can't think of one manager who's done better than Moyes in the last 7/8 years on a similar budget, like I said correct me if i'am wrong by all means
 
Cookachoo said:
Nice post, and i do like the sentiments, so i apologise for taking a trip to negative town here.

- No silverware in 10 years while the likes of Portsmouth, Middlesbrough, Blackburn and Birmingham have tasted success. As well as the usual suspects of United, City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool.
- Team has stagnated in recent years, and thats as much to do with Moyes being tactically inept, negative, naive and reactive as opposed to proactive in his management style, as it has with lack of funds.
- As you would expect with any manager in charge of one club for a significant period of time, he has signed some gems, but his record overall is no more than OK. For every Baines and Lescott there has been a Bilyaletdinov and Kroldrup. What you would have to ask is a) Have we got the most out of the players that he bought (i.e were they sold at the right time) or b) Has their market value increased in their time here?

Moyes did extraordinarily to not only keep us in the Premier League but to maintain top half finishes and even a few mildly successful European ventures. And for that I will be eternally grateful, that is a long term strategy that I cannot argue with. But once we got there, more needed to be done to prolong it. The issue I have is that i feel he has taken us as far as he possibly can. And from here, with Moyes in charge, in my opinion the team will continue to stagnate. I don't feel he is taking us backwards, but I do feel we are standing still, which is something you can ill-afford in Football nowadays.

The funny thing is, it hasn't been that bad a season in the league. 7th, narrowly missing out on Europe and a Semi Final. Not bad at all, but it could have been so much better had basic basic things been done right, on and off the pitch. That is why I feel now is when we need to change.

My concern is the average age of our first team is getting on and we don't have the funds in place to rebuild again. I don't think he has been as clever as he could have in the transfer market, and I'm not quite sure what the future holds for this team. But i do feel that if we are to progress, it won't be with Moyes at the helm.

I don't imagine for a moment that Moyes will be sacked as Kenwright believes he can do no wrong. But I'd hope he leaves before the likes of Distin, Neville, Cahill, Osman and Hibbert inevitably hit the decline and need replacing. With a new manager, under a new brand of Football, I feel this team can do better than what it currently is.

Stability is vital for any club, but there is a fine line between being stable and being comfortable. And I feel now is time for a change.
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Fair point mate, but what manager has been as you say more shrewd than Moyes in the transfer Market, who's done a better job who Everton and more importantly Bill Kenwright could attract, i'am intrigued to know ????????
 
Xavi said:
If anyone can bring a managers name to my attention who's had a similar budget and has had better league placings than Everton I will happily say Moyes time is up, using Birmingham, Portsmouth and Middlesboro as an example is a piss take because I'd rather have real long stability and strong premier league finishes season after season than win a Carling cup and get relegated, for me personally the top and bottom of it is - we could have Pep Quardiola in charge if you've got Bill Kenwright as chairman you won't have any real success in football, I can't think of one manager who's done better than Moyes in the last 7/8 years on a similar budget, like I said correct me if i'am wrong by all means
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Roberto Martinez.

Has even less to spend, with less talent, and has to keep a small club in the league.

He also has football philosophy, attack minded, and an eye for a player.

Thats my two pence.
 
I'd like to see the facts what net spend difference they've had because I wouldn't be swapping Moyes for Martinez myself but just my opinion
 

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