The EU deal

[Cypher]

I agree that the council member isn't directly elected in that we don't choose our PM. However we choose the party, who choose the leader.
The parliament have plenty of power.

Budgetary: together with the Council of Ministers, the Parliament agrees on the budget.

• The Commission drafts the budget and in April each year sends it to the Council of Ministers and the Parliament
• The Parliament debates it and, if needed, proposes changes. The draft is sent to the Council, which can propose its own changes, if required, and forwards it back to the Parliament for the second reading.
• The Parliament can reject it (as it did it in 1979, 1982, and 1984) or adopt it .

Scrutiny: the Parliament has powers over the European Commission and the Presidency of the Council.

• It can dismiss the Commission and the Commission needs to submit to the European Parliament regular reports, annual legislative programmes and reports on the implementation of the budget. The Council’s nominations for the positions of the President of the European Commission and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy must be confirmed by the European Parliament. Finally, the College of Commissioners must be approved by the European Parliament.
• The Presidency of the Council needs to report to the EP on its priorities and progress.
• The Parliament monitors the work of the Council of Ministers.

Appointments. The European Parliament :

• Appoints the President of the Commission, approves the appointment of the Commission and has power to dismiss it.
• Confirms the appointment of the president and vice-president of the European Central Bank.
• Appoints the European Ombudsman.
• Consults on the appointments of the Court of Auditors.

The positions of commissioners must be able to work closely with EU and domestic. An appointment is the sensible way forward.

Presidents are elected by the institutions they preside over.

We don't need to waste our money running campaigns and elections for any of these positions (outside of parliament) when there fair and democratic ways of selecting personnel.

MEPs generally do have a European Manifesto. Parliament is represented proportionally. If you don't like the policies don't vote for the candidate. If they align with others you don't like, vote them out next time.

It is nonsense to suggest that the EU isn't democratic.

It's such nonsense that many in the remain camp agree that it isn't democratic.

 

[Cypher]

I don't live in the UK, so maybe I don't have a right to comment, but as an outsider I will anyway. The whole Brexit campaign has a "Trump" feel about it. You have some right winger who is exploiting the fact that people are worried/disenfranchised and offering them some glib and easy scapegoat (in this case the EU) to further his own personal advancement.
I know that there are plenty of issues with the EU but compared to other countries UK has a pretty good deal with their own currency and controls on social welfare payments etc. I think that you would be mad to leave. Apart from trade, finance, political influence etc I wonder what the implications for the UK itself will be. Good chance that Scotland will exit the UK in order to rejoin the EU. Where does that leave NI?

Scotland won't leave. They have had their referendum. There's no British mandate to give them another one besides so what if they do.

 

[daylightrobber]

Scotland won't leave. They have had their referendum. There's no British mandate to give them another one besides so what if they do.

For starters, they had a referendum based on the UK remaining in the EU. It's nice to see that your standards of self determination and sovereignty don't apply to some of our own.

If there is another referendum, and if Scotland leave the UK, then the number of EU immigrants in the UK will rocket. We will have to recalculate our land mass to see just how overcrowded we are, for fear of the entire population of Scotland moving south over the border. We could build a wall.

 

[dandydan]

for fear of the entire population of Scotland moving south over the border. We could build a wall.

Now you're talking sense.

 

[Cypher]

For starters, they had a referendum based on the UK remaining in the EU. It's nice to see that your standards of self determination and sovereignty don't apply to some of our own.

If there is another referendum, and if Scotland leave the UK, then the number of EU immigrants in the UK will rocket. We will have to recalculate our land mass to see just how overcrowded we are, for fear of the entire population of Scotland moving south over the border. We could build a wall.

They will still be part of the UK which is actually what they voted for.

They have had their chance of self determination. If people vote to remain in the EU then I don't want another referendum at a later date either.

Why would the number of EU migrants increase in England if Scotland leaves the UK. They would have no right to work, no right to benefits etc

btw - Walls work. They do what they need to do. Keep people out.

 

[Joey66]

For starters, they had a referendum based on the UK remaining in the EU. It's nice to see that your standards of self determination and sovereignty don't apply to some of our own.

If there is another referendum, and if Scotland leave the UK, then the number of EU immigrants in the UK will rocket. We will have to recalculate our land mass to see just how overcrowded we are, for fear of the entire population of Scotland moving south over the border. We could build a wall.

It's a sore point Scotland 4 years ago I went up there to see my Daughter graduate in then the last year of Edinburgh art academy university now defunct it broke my bank balance and her grand parents as she was only the sixth student outside Scotland to get on the degree!
It was a general passing out day - stood outside were Young EU migrants bragging how fantastic it all was as their degree was totally free of charge via the EU as Scotland do not charge anyone born there, or from in the the Eu except England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, and you wonder why I will be voting out on the 23rd!
The other thing is they stay there night clubbing in Edinburgh as they can afford it working part time the few I heard could hardly sleek English in fact my daughter went on to get a art masters degree in management one EU girl from Spain failed as she could not write in English!

 

[peteblue]

I agree that the council member isn't directly elected in that we don't choose our PM. However we choose the party, who choose the leader.
The parliament have plenty of power.

Budgetary: together with the Council of Ministers, the Parliament agrees on the budget.

• The Commission drafts the budget and in April each year sends it to the Council of Ministers and the Parliament
• The Parliament debates it and, if needed, proposes changes. The draft is sent to the Council, which can propose its own changes, if required, and forwards it back to the Parliament for the second reading.
• The Parliament can reject it (as it did it in 1979, 1982, and 1984) or adopt it .

Scrutiny: the Parliament has powers over the European Commission and the Presidency of the Council.

• It can dismiss the Commission and the Commission needs to submit to the European Parliament regular reports, annual legislative programmes and reports on the implementation of the budget. The Council’s nominations for the positions of the President of the European Commission and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy must be confirmed by the European Parliament. Finally, the College of Commissioners must be approved by the European Parliament.
• The Presidency of the Council needs to report to the EP on its priorities and progress.
• The Parliament monitors the work of the Council of Ministers.

Appointments. The European Parliament :

• Appoints the President of the Commission, approves the appointment of the Commission and has power to dismiss it.
• Confirms the appointment of the president and vice-president of the European Central Bank.
• Appoints the European Ombudsman.
• Consults on the appointments of the Court of Auditors.

The positions of commissioners must be able to work closely with EU and domestic. An appointment is the sensible way forward.

Presidents are elected by the institutions they preside over.

We don't need to waste our money running campaigns and elections for any of these positions (outside of parliament) when there fair and democratic ways of selecting personnel.

MEPs generally do have a European Manifesto. Parliament is represented proportionally. If you don't like the policies don't vote for the candidate. If they align with others you don't like, vote them out next time.

It is nonsense to suggest that the EU isn't democratic.

How many 'Presidents' does the EU have.......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

http://english.eu2016.nl/latest/new...ific-articles-to-be-freely-accessible-by-2020

All scientific articles in Europe must be freely accessible as of 2020. EU member states want to achieve optimal reuse of research data. They are also looking into a European visa for foreign start-up founders.

Photo: Tineke Dijkstra

And, according to the new Innovation Principle, new European legislation must take account of its impact on innovation. These are the main outcomes of the meeting of the Competitiveness Council in Brussels on 27 May.

Sharing knowledge freely
Under the presidency of Netherlands State Secretary for Education, Culture and Science Sander Dekker, the EU ministers responsible for research and innovation decided unanimously to take these significant steps.

 

[Seanjd]

Walls work. They do what they need to do. Keep people out.

Oh dear.

 

[daylightrobber]

How many 'Presidents' does the EU have.......

Presidents of Commission, Council and Parliament. May be others, but these are the major ones.

 

[magicjuan]

I don't live in the UK, so maybe I don't have a right to comment, but as an outsider I will anyway. The whole Brexit campaign has a "Trump" feel about it. You have some right winger who is exploiting the fact that people are worried/disenfranchised and offering them some glib and easy scapegoat (in this case the EU) to further his own personal advancement.
I know that there are plenty of issues with the EU but compared to other countries UK has a pretty good deal with their own currency and controls on social welfare payments etc. I think that you would be mad to leave. Apart from trade, finance, political influence etc I wonder what the implications for the UK itself will be. Good chance that Scotland will exit the UK in order to rejoin the EU. Where does that leave NI?

The whole REPORTED Brexit campaign, but as with the remain camp, there are many far more valid reasons to leave that aren't given scrutiny by the voters because they aren't allowed to be put forward.

This has been years in the coming and it's testament to the state of 'politics' that both sides of the argument are putting so much emphasis on the crassest of reasons. It is damning of the public that such an important decision will be contested on level;s of tolerance for outsiders. It is, theoretically, the 21st century and we are debating 3rd Reich ideals.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

btw - Walls work. They do what they need to do. Keep people out.

And why on earth would you want to do that?

Given that Le Pen is gaining ground rapidly in France, Geert Wilders is doing likewise in the Netherlands, Trump is the GOP nominee in the States, we have a far-right government in Poland and were within a whisker of having one in Austria, I would frankly be ashamed as anything if I did something that promoted their way of thinking. Absolutely and utterly ashamed. Putin is sat there rubbing is hands together thinking of how he can capitalise on the mess us knocking our domino down will cause.

I visited Dachau on the way back through Germany yesterday. Have we really learnt so little from the past? Was all that blood shed so we can then wash our hands of trying to help create a safer and more respectful world? Por shame.

 

[peteblue]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120

As i said. Fait Accompli.

One of the main reasons many people want to Leave is the lack of democracy. News like this will back-fire on the Remain camp.

Latest Telegraph online poll of 19k voters puts Leave at 69% Remain at 29%.

Indeed, it's been a long time coming but I think our politicians and MP's are going to get a bit of a kicking from the electorate......

 

[cduff]

It's a sore point Scotland 4 years ago I went up there to see my Daughter graduate in then the last year of Edinburgh art academy university now defunct it broke my bank balance and her grand parents as she was only the sixth student outside Scotland to get on the degree!
It was a general passing out day - stood outside were Young EU migrants bragging how fantastic it all was as their degree was totally free of charge via the EU as Scotland do not charge anyone born there, or from in the the Eu except England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, and you wonder why I will be voting out on the 23rd!
The other thing is they stay there night clubbing in Edinburgh as they can afford it working part time the few I heard could hardly sleek English in fact my daughter went on to get a art masters degree in management one EU girl from Spain failed as she could not write in English!

I believe that Scotland charge standard fees for Eng/Wales students as Eng/Wales Unis charge the same fees for all UK students. Scottish and EU students get subsidised (not free) fees in Scottish Unis by Scottish Govt (not the EU).

 

[daylightrobber]

It's a sore point Scotland 4 years ago I went up there to see my Daughter graduate in then the last year of Edinburgh art academy university now defunct it broke my bank balance and her grand parents as she was only the sixth student outside Scotland to get on the degree!
It was a general passing out day - stood outside were Young EU migrants bragging how fantastic it all was as their degree was totally free of charge via the EU as Scotland do not charge anyone born there, or from in the the Eu except England, Wales, and Northern Ireland, and you wonder why I will be voting out on the 23rd!
The other thing is they stay there night clubbing in Edinburgh as they can afford it working part time the few I heard could hardly sleek English in fact my daughter went on to get a art masters degree in management one EU girl from Spain failed as she could not write in English!

That's none discriminatory reciprocal agreements for you. My Mrs is currently doing an English degree, in France, distance learning. If she'd have done it here it would've cost £9000/yr. Doing it in France she pays 400 euros/yr. Another one of the benefits of being in the EU.