The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[Steve Wigan]

Just noticed that our offspring are to enlarge [Poor language removed] Tip up to near 60000 and keep open the stands while building work is in progress.

Wonder what Elstone and the board make of that given that they have constantly said it couldnt be done at GP?

Naughty. The reason has always been that the footprint wouldn't permit it. Personally I think that a refurbished (amounts to almost a rebuild) GP would be an excellent idea. But could we seat 60,000..no point in building for less or at least leaving space to add up to this.

 

[Chang Elephant]

So...let me get this straight...youre suggesting that Phil Green(?) or another mega rich friend of the club, has paid for the 'silence' of Trevor Birch, Paul Gregg, Wyness and others? Any evidence ? This could be important.

You seem to advancing some very specific allegations on my behalf there Steve. Any reason for that ?

 

[roydo]

To put some perspective on this, GOT is now the main Everton forum, and as such, if any are read by the club, which I have no idea about, it would most likely be us.

So my view, warranted, as a mod, is that a Board thread with positive suggestions, ideas, and feedback, is more likely to be embraced than a string of invective. Now that does not mean for one moment that we should all sit around the campfire and eulogise about the brilliance of the board/CEO/significant others, more that some of the historical beefs, and they dont need mentioning really, perhaps should be parked. The endless round-robin "discussion" about them really doesnt move the thread or the debate forward.

I know some people have really, really deep feelings about what has happened, or not happened, in the past, and I for one respect those views. So this is in no way an attempt to stifle or censure contributors who hold them. If it comes across that way, apologies from me. Neither is this a pro or anti BU or KEIOC post.

Constructive criticism is great, no problems at all with that, but I think we do underestimate the power, if that is the right word, of social media these days. So if people could just sometimes take a breath before they post what may be a sincerely held view about Kings Dock, FF, or the Kitbag deal, (for examples), or indeed responses to such posts, (it is a two way thing on here), then hopefully some of the nastiness that can crop up from time to time might be averted.

We are all Blues. We all want the same thing. Lets not forget that.

Now after all that, we are going to spend £2m this summer arnt we!

 

[bourneblue]

To put some perspective on this, GOT is now the main Everton forum, and as such, if any are read by the club, which I have no idea about, it would most likely be us.

So my view, warranted, as a mod, is that a Board thread with positive suggestions, ideas, and feedback, is more likely to be embraced than a string of invective. Now that does not mean for one moment that we should all sit around the campfire and eulogise about the brilliance of the board/CEO/significant others, more that some of the historical beefs, and they dont need mentioning really, perhaps should be parked. The endless round-robin "discussion" about them really doesnt move the thread or the debate forward.

I know some people have really, really deep feelings about what has happened, or not happened, in the past, and I for one respect those views. So this is in no way an attempt to stifle or censure contributors who hold them. If it comes across that way, apologies from me. Neither is this a pro or anti BU or KEIOC post.

Constructive criticism is great, no problems at all with that, but I think we do underestimate the power, if that is the right word, of social media these days. So if people could just sometimes take a breath before they post what may be a sincerely held view about Kings Dock, FF, or the Kitbag deal, (for examples), or indeed responses to such posts, (it is a two way thing on here), then hopefully some of the nastiness that can crop up from time to time might be averted.

We are all Blues. We all want the same thing. Lets not forget that.

Now after all that, we are going to spend £2m this summer arnt we!

You've missed a nought out there,but does the nought go before or after the two ? Hmmm !

 

[roydo]

You've missed a nought out there,but does the nought go before or after the two ? Hmmm !

Christ, would be carnage on here ffs!!

 

[Moomin]

So...let me get this straight...youre suggesting that Phil Green(?) or another mega rich friend of the club, has paid for the 'silence' of Trevor Birch, Paul Gregg, Wyness and others? Any evidence ? This could be important.

Everton football club would have paid them to keep quiet in the golden handshake payment.

 

[Bluesnapper]

Naughty. The reason has always been that the footprint wouldn't permit it. Personally I think that a refurbished (amounts to almost a rebuild) GP would be an excellent idea. But could we seat 60,000..no point in building for less or at least leaving space to add up to this.

The PE car park could probably fit another two stands behind it, so it can be done.

 

[Groucho]

Everton football club would have paid them to keep quiet in the golden handshake payment.

Part of the reason for this re-birth of this thread was to avoid any unfounded accusations, so please qualify this with fact.

 

[Moomin]

Part of the reason for this re-birth of this thread was to avoid any unfounded accusations, so please qualify this with fact.

It's common business practice for senior roles and very common in all industries.

 

[bourneblue]

Just noticed that our offspring are to enlarge [Poor language removed] Tip up to near 60000 and keep open the stands while building work is in progress.

Wonder what Elstone and the board make of that given that they have constantly said it couldnt be done at GP?

They've been buying up property surrounding anfield for decades to enable this redevelopment.
We need a new ground asap not 20 years or so down the line. Meaning we have to move, as the money spent and time wasted obtaining CPO'S could be put to better use by moving to a suitable brownfield site.

 

[SerenityNigh]

We will disagree here again.

Gate receipts are only a portion of a healthy revenue stream, and tv money is less to do with Everton, and more to do with the health of the League. The area that Everton need to improve is their Commercial income.

The following link compares the revenues streams of many football clubs as of 2011.

http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/.../66f55ec578ffd210VgnVCM2000001b56f00aRCRD.htm

By comparison Everton's revenue in 2013:
64% broadcast
20% gate
8% Commercial
5% Other Commercial Activites (so I guess this is added? And we're at 13% commercial)

The rest is catering and decimal points.

Only Villa compare to our poor commercial income as a percentage of our revenues.

Thinking about this again, if the club can increase gate attendance by 50%, from 36,000 to 54,000, that should likewise increase gate receipts by 50% (irrespective of any price differences, etc.). Since gate receipts are 20% of turnover, a 50% increase in gate receipts is therefore roughly a 10% increase in turnover. Not that I'd balk at an extra £10M or so for the club, but I think we can all agree that this is a relatively small number, compared to what we desire.

That said, I think the ground, whether new development or substantial improvements to Goodison (which I understand is probably not an option), is a major item for the team to handle, but the reality is that this won't be what improves the club balance sheet in the direction desire by the club. It may help to stabilize the balance sheet, which would be great, but I don't see a new stadium brining in Lukaku money overnight.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Thinking about this again, if the club can increase gate attendance by 50%, from 36,000 to 54,000, that should likewise increase gate receipts by 50% (irrespective of any price differences, etc.). Since gate receipts are 20% of turnover, a 50% increase in gate receipts is therefore roughly a 10% increase in turnover. Not that I'd balk at an extra £10M or so for the club, but I think we can all agree that this is a relatively small number, compared to what we desire.

That said, I think the ground, whether new development or substantial improvements to Goodison (which I understand is probably not an option), is a major item for the team to handle, but the reality is that this won't be what improves the club balance sheet in the direction desire by the club. It may help to stabilize the balance sheet, which would be great, but I don't see a new stadium brining in Lukaku money overnight.

Agreed, mostly, but there is the issue of corporate facilities and the like. Things other than pure attendance that a new stadium brings to the financial table.

I still think the biggest thing is improving sponsorship deals and corporate partnerships, but it needs to be a multipronged attack to generate funds at the level we require.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Agreed, mostly, but there is the issue of corporate facilities and the like. Things other than pure attendance that a new stadium brings to the financial table.

I still think the biggest thing is improving sponsorship deals and corporate partnerships, but it needs to be a multipronged attack to generate funds at the level we require.

Indeed, boxes and such. Didn't think about that, but obviously that's a revenue stream not fully recognized in Goodison. I don't know commercial property loan rates, but I'm afraid the note for a new stadium would be roughly equal to new income projections.

No disagreement on what you think is important, just trying to sort out the numbers.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

How did it fail? Fan groups fought Kenwright, Leahy and his Tesco mob to a standstill and dogged them during their attempt to banish Everton outside of the city. On the question of a sale and forcing the owners out: the likes of the BU had Kenwright's regime on the ropes. They were putting out fires everywhere in the media when an alternative off field Everton narrative broke through the usual smog. Did it change ownership? No. But that's down to timing and not tactics. The tactics they deployed will always be right and it's those tactics that have traditionally been successful in chasing out poor owners from football clubs in this country. It has to be deployed at the right time though.

Look, people here can talk till they're blue in the face about building bridges and establishing dialogue with the board and CEO. You and I both know though dont we that the only dialogue that lot want are the toothless Q&A sessions of the so called Fans Forum. There is no way that lot want to listen to proactive stuff like Equity Seat schemes, share issues or Football Quarter regeneration packages...it's been tried before and they shun anything that is or is perceived to be against their material interests.

I say again. There's only two options: 1/ put up with these owners 2/ get shut of them. There is no half way house that moves us forward. None.



I dont care how savvy Everton CEOs and their teams are: they'll get precisely nowhere because the culture is one of get the cash in now and worry about tomorrow when it comes. That's why you'll get even more Kitbag's and Chang giveaways in the future. These people are merely spinning a plate; happy to remain solvent and they have the tv revenue to do that plus player sales and the few million they gain through sponsorship. They are not interested in growing any business organically. They want a stadium built for them and then a quick sale on the back of that. I mean, if someone sees that trend now after 15 years of this board being in control then there's no hope for them.

People need to wake up: there is no commercial way forward with the current owners; there is no 'third way' alternative of living and cooperating with them. You either accept your fate with them as carpet bagging takers or you reject them totally. There's no fence here to be sat on, despite what some are saying in this thread.

And there it is..... Spot on Dave. You either understand that. Or you don't. No grey area at all. Black or white here....


Close this thread mods, there's nothing left to say.

 

[davek]

To put some perspective on this, GOT is now the main Everton forum, and as such, if any are read by the club, which I have no idea about, it would most likely be us.

So my view, warranted, as a mod, is that a Board thread with positive suggestions, ideas, and feedback, is more likely to be embraced than a string of invective. Now that does not mean for one moment that we should all sit around the campfire and eulogise about the brilliance of the board/CEO/significant others, more that some of the historical beefs, and they dont need mentioning really, perhaps should be parked. The endless round-robin "discussion" about them really doesnt move the thread or the debate forward.

I know some people have really, really deep feelings about what has happened, or not happened, in the past, and I for one respect those views. So this is in no way an attempt to stifle or censure contributors who hold them. If it comes across that way, apologies from me. Neither is this a pro or anti BU or KEIOC post.

Constructive criticism is great, no problems at all with that, but I think we do underestimate the power, if that is the right word, of social media these days. So if people could just sometimes take a breath before they post what may be a sincerely held view about Kings Dock, FF, or the Kitbag deal, (for examples), or indeed responses to such posts, (it is a two way thing on here), then hopefully some of the nastiness that can crop up from time to time might be averted.

We are all Blues. We all want the same thing. Lets not forget that.

Now after all that, we are going to spend £2m this summer arnt we!

That's a fool's errand. The board have their way of interacting with fans: they set up a nodding dog Fan Forum group (by the way, they only even do that because they have to due to UEFA) and they run their ideas past the attendees. It's a focus group they want not genuine partnership with fans. As mentioned, the board and CEO have had a string of development schemes placed in front of their noses and they do not want to know. It's their way or the highway.

I'd urge people on here not to waste their time pursuing any project to put before the officers of Everton - mark my words, it'll be screwed up and dumped in the waste paper basket at L4.

There's only one game in town for them: stadium build > sell up and go. The fans and their ideas are just background noise.