The Everton Board Thread 2014/15

[roydo]

That's a fool's errand. The board have their way of interacting with fans: they set up a nodding dog Fan Forum group (by the way, they only even do that because they have to due to UEFA) and they run their ideas past the attendees. It's a focus group they want not genuine partnership with fans. As mentioned, the board and CEO have had a string of development schemes placed in front of their noses and they do not want to know. It's their way or the highway.

I'd urge people on here not to waste their time pursuing any project to put before the officers of Everton - mark my words, it'll be screwed up and dumped in the waste paper basket at L4.

There's only one game in town for them: stadium build > sell up and go. The fans and their ideas are just background noise.

Would suit me that. But I get your point. Just dont want the thread to be a pin ball match on ancient history.

 

[Steve Wigan]

The PE car park could probably fit another two stands behind it, so it can be done.

I've always thought that myself...we actually agree about refurbishing /upgrading GP. Something else to talk to the board about in a positive dialogue?

 

[Steve Wigan]

Part of the reason for this re-birth of this thread was to avoid any unfounded accusations, so please qualify this with fact.

Mr.Elephant says that money like that could only be paid by a mega rich friend of the club. But now he's saying I said it, which I didn't. Good night folks.

 

[Groucho]

Mr.Elephant says that money like that could only be paid by a mega rich friend of the club. But now he's saying I said it, which I didn't. Good night folks.

Well, it's this sort of petty arguing that this new thread sought to avoid.

I am not a massive critic of the board, but please, in the words of my daughters favourite Disney film song, Let It Go.

 

[BlueThai]

Isn't this just going to repeat everything that was in the previous thread until the board either make another fcuk up or make some investment?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

How did it fail? Fan groups fought Kenwright, Leahy and his Tesco mob to a standstill and dogged them during their attempt to banish Everton outside of the city. On the question of a sale and forcing the owners out: the likes of the BU had Kenwright's regime on the ropes. They were putting out fires everywhere in the media when an alternative off field Everton narrative broke through the usual smog. Did it change ownership? No. But that's down to timing and not tactics. The tactics they deployed will always be right and it's those tactics that have traditionally been successful in chasing out poor owners from football clubs in this country. It has to be deployed at the right time though.

You answered your own question. It failed to achieve it's objective - end of.

You excuse that failure with 'timing' due to the decent form of the side at the time. So, what you've concluded is that despite failing with the tactics used (and I was solely talking about the BU btw), you were totally correct and that the only time we'll get any real clamour for change amongst the fanbase is when they're disillusioned with the football and turn on the board. That's defeatist imo, as you're closing the discussion down to any other option than what you've already tried and failed with. Roll on a relegation dog fight then eh mate....

 

[Steve Wigan]

Well, it's this sort of petty arguing that this new thread sought to avoid.

I am not a massive critic of the board, but please, in the words of my daughters favourite Disney film song, Let It Go.

Quite right...there is frustration on all sides of the argument(I'd rather call it a debate) I think maybe rather than the first progressive movement forward being an attempt at respectful dialogue between supporters and the board, civil dialogue between supporters would be the place to start. A sort of 'coalition'. Unless the supporters are united in their aims, theres no point in approaching the board. This is not supposed to be a witch hunt, its a measured attempt to find common ground and move forward. Everyone should cut out the personal point scoring and even if the first target is limited, take it step by step. Its why I suggested a small, face to face meeting, half a dozen people from both extremes of the supporters position, and some less extreme . We've got to start somewhere.

 

[davek]

You answered your own question. It failed to achieve it's objective - end of.

You excuse that failure with 'timing' due to the decent form of the side at the time. So, what you've concluded is that despite failing with the tactics used (and I was solely talking about the BU btw), you were totally correct and that the only time we'll get any real clamour for change amongst the fanbase is when they're disillusioned with the football and turn on the board. That's defeatist imo, as you're closing the discussion down to any other option than what you've already tried and failed with. Roll on a relegation dog fight then eh mate....

It's not defeatist, it's realism. When have football supporters ever protested for boardroom change when they've been top half of the table?

As far as closing down discussion on the chance for 'any other option' to work is concerned: I've given a handful of examples where that accommodating olive branch strategy has received a kick in the teeth.

What do you have in mind as a way forward that will persuade the current board and break the deadlock?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It's not defeatist, it's realism. When have football supporters ever protested for boardroom change when they've been top half of the table?

As far as closing down discussion on the chance for 'any other option' to work is concerned: I've given a handful of examples where that accommodating olive branch strategy has received a kick in the teeth.

What do you have in mind as a way forward that will persuade the current board and break the deadlock?

tbf mate, the last time the olive branch was used, it turned into a stalking horse as far as the club were concerned, but let's not go there again..

Listen, I'm not professing to have all the answers or to know the best strategy we could come up with to try and facilitate change at GP. However, I don't think we should just accept that we need to, in essence, wait for the team to flop before trying to have our voices heard.

I think it's worthy of debate, both in terms of what we actually think the clubs strategy should be going forwards - from our perspective, and how we get consensus on that. Then how we can try and facilitate change. Maybe there are avenues that haven't been fully explored yet? I just don't want us to give up, close the door on it and wait for doomsday as our 'saviour'

 

[Blue Cheese]

running around in circles...

 

[nsno-chris]

It's not defeatist, it's realism. When have football supporters ever protested for boardroom change when they've been top half of the table?

United & RS

 

[RaleighBlue]

It's not defeatist, it's realism. When have football supporters ever protested for boardroom change when they've been top half of the table?

As far as closing down discussion on the chance for 'any other option' to work is concerned: I've given a handful of examples where that accommodating olive branch strategy has received a kick in the teeth.

What do you have in mind as a way forward that will persuade the current board and break the deadlock?

Protesting isn't what's being called for - yet (and hopefully not at all). What's being called for is a unified base of supporters reaching out to work with the club to improve Everton's financial situation. If that fails, then yes, there may be calls for protest, but those calls would have a much greater leg to stand on than they would before an open and diplomatic attempt to engage the club.


I also believe the club have less to hide behind than they have in the past - they are no longer logically limited by geography or current playing staff. The club is stable on the pitch, they must be expected to improve the club off the pitch. In the past they could hide behind attempting to achieve stability - stability has been achieved, now is the time for growth and expansion.

 

[davek]

Protesting isn't what's being called for - yet (and hopefully not at all). What's being called for is a unified base of supporters reaching out to work with the club to improve Everton's financial situation. If that fails, then yes, there may be calls for protest, but those calls would have a much greater leg to stand on than they would before an open and diplomatic attempt to engage the club.


I also believe the club have less to hide behind than they have in the past - they are no longer logically limited by geography or current playing staff. The club is stable on the pitch, they must be expected to improve the club off the pitch. In the past they could hide behind attempting to achieve stability - stability has been achieved, now is the time for growth and expansion.

I've heard this a number of times now. What are we talking about here exactly? What sort of ideas? The club have had a focus group already up and running dedicated to bringing on board money making ideas. I stand to be corrected, but I dont see the impact it's had.

 

[davek]

United & RS

They are elite clubs who's idea of a crisis is not to win a trophy for two seasons. Evertonians (like it or not, and I dont) will settle for much, much less than that. We all know this. The arse would have to fall out of this club for sustained and successful protests. The Johnson affair was an example of that. He was chased out of the club because we nearly fell through the trap door into oblivion.

 

[RaleighBlue]

I've heard this a number of times now. What are we talking about here exactly? What sort of ideas? The club have had a focus group already up and running dedicated to bringing on board money making ideas. I stand to be corrected, but I dont see the impact it's had.

I think the main thing that's being called for is instead of this being club driven, it's supporter driven. Once a group has what it generally considers good ideas moving forward, to bring those ideas to the attention of the club, the media, and other supporters.

Engage in a proactive discussion - don't wait for the club to ask what we think, tell the club what we think. And tell the world at the same time so the club cannot easily sweep it under the rug - if that's their inclination.