The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[matty1878]

More chance of Big Foot news.

Lol lol lol got me in stitches this

 

[davek]

@davek I start with the belief that the board are honest if nothing else. In that I include everyone who has served on the board since TBHL was wound up, so Sir Philip Carter and others as well.
Lying to the auditors about beneficial ownership is a serious matter and could lead to criminal charges for breach of Companies Acts and if it were done for tax evasion purposes there could be ramifications under the Proceeds of Crime Act.
Perhaps I just think the best of people, but conspiracy theories just don't do it for me to be honest.

Do you think there was anything honest about about that pantomime surrounding the Fortress Sports Fund "takeover"? A series of BS statements one after the other, with a cast of people you'd be hard pressed to give credibility to in a Bond film. It did it's job like, served its purpose.

From that moment on I had (and have) no doubts that all is not what it seems at Everton.

 

[Verbal Kint]

I refuse to get my hopes up, been down this road to many times before.

What the majority on here agree on is change at boardroom is necessary, fresh investment and a vision to take us forward,

 

[Bob Elstone]

Not my style. I've passed the information on to someone here. It's not something I want to

a. jeopardise
b. go public on

But - at the same time I trust the person who told me and I want to let you know.

I'm not a publicity seeker or BS merchant. Most would vouch for me I believe.

Give us a clue you sexy beast.

 

[blueboy1945]

Think there could be some truth in this. I have a feeling that Saturday may well have been the last time we see Mr Kenwright at Goodison.

 

[Brendan Janus]

Is it going to be a billionaire, or another Kenwright who has a reasonable stash !!

 

[neil999]

prob kenwrights long lost son, kylo kenwright... he will make us wear red and call us liverpool united

 

[TheFinnFan]

Think there could be some truth in this. I have a feeling that Saturday may well have been the last time we see Mr Kenwright at Goodison.

In what?

 

[hibbo'sclass]

Do you think there was anything honest about about that pantomime surrounding the Fortress Sports Fund "takeover"? A series of BS statements one after the other, with a cast of people you'd be hard pressed to give credibility to in a Bond film. It did it's job like, served its purpose.

From that moment on I had (and have) no doubts that all is not what it seems at Everton.

FSF was a bullet dodged, but I take your point about the BS statements from CS amd EFC surrounding it.
Just out of interest, do you think the club would be in a better position had Paul and Anita Gregg rather than BK won the struggle of which FSF was a part?
Perhaps I should clarify what I mean by honest - I believe that the board have not done anything illegal except as detailed below or potentially fraudulent.
There is technically one instance of the board and the company being left open to criminal charges for non-compliance with the Companies Act 2006 by filing the annual return a week late, but this is remedied in law as soon as the document is filed at Companies House.
I am not going to convince you that my view is correct, and you are not going to convince me that there is a conspiracy.

 

[Zatara]

If you dont want to jeapordise or go public on this then why post anything, yet actually youve said nothing?

"Guess what, ive heard something but i cant tell you"...

Its been rumoured for a while there will be some news in or before Feb...

Not my style. I've passed the information on to someone here. It's not something I want to

a. jeopardise
b. go public on

But - at the same time I trust the person who told me and I want to let you know.

I'm not a publicity seeker or BS merchant. Most would vouch for me I believe.

 

[Pacman]

Don't believe the Chang thing at all tbh, although I do think something could happen behind the scenes if Kenwrights ill health is true. I believe to keep the current squad together/be able to build upon it we needed 1 of 2 things either a) a top 4 finish or b) a new owner, right now a new owner actually looks more realistic. Let's pray something happens in january otherwise it's all been a load of hot air as usual.

We need something to get us back to where we belong at the top level, depressing seeing the likes of West Ham, Palace and Leicester moving ahead of us.

 

[davek]

FSF was a bullet dodged, but I take your point about the BS statements from CS amd EFC surrounding it.
Just out of interest, do you think the club would be in a better position had Paul and Anita Gregg rather than BK won the struggle of which FSF was a part?
Perhaps I should clarify what I mean by honest - I believe that the board have not done anything illegal except as detailed below or potentially fraudulent.
There is technically one instance of the board and the company being left open to criminal charges for non-compliance with the Companies Act 2006 by filing the annual return a week late, but this is remedied in law as soon as the document is filed at Companies House.
I am not going to convince you that my view is correct, and you are not going to convince me that there is a conspiracy.

Well, I'd like to know what that other future would have looked like if Gregg had gotten his way over the lease back arrangement over the Kings Dock stadium: I suspect it'd have been a very bumpy ride with maybe more than one takeover in its wake and nothing like the stability we got under Kenwright/Moyes. But that isn't to say it wouldn't have been worth going through such a firestorm to get tenancy/ownership of a truly iconic stadium and the suitors it'd have attracted.

Going back to the finances/honesty issue: I dont doubt that this lot wont have opened themselves up to criminal proceedings. I just *know without knowing*, if I can put it that way, that the ownership of shares is more labyrinthine than the simple breakdown we see in club accounts. I dont doubt for a second they are owned for now by who the accounts say they are owned by, but who they pass to in the future is another matter as far as I'm concerned. And on that issue I go back to the FSF scam (and it WAS a scam): you cant expect anyone to believe all is as it seems with the owners when we know they went to great lengths to concoct a convoluted fairy story in order to see off the challenge of fellow director. Now, BK is in the business of fantasy productions, but I suspect other influential people were standing behind Kenwright fighting off an aggressive takeover bid and that they weren't doing this just as an act of friendship.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Think this has to happend before the summer. Otherwise our squad will be torn apart.

 

[The Esk]

I dont doubt for a second they are owned for now by who the accounts say they are owned by, but who they pass to in the future is another matter as far as I'm concerned.

Isn't that the nature of private companies with private individuals as shareholders though? Are Everton any different from any other private company in that respect?

Without having access to the books and doing due diligence on any shareholder agreements that may or may not be in place, everything is speculation.

Of course we are all entitled to speculate and I understand why you draw the conclusions you do, but ultimately that is all it is.

 

[hibbo'sclass]

Well, I'd like to know what that other future would have looked like if Gregg had gotten his way over the lease back arrangement over the Kings Dock stadium: I suspect it'd have been a very bumpy ride with maybe more than one takeover in its wake and nothing like the stability we got under Kenwright/Moyes. But that isn't to say it wouldn't have been worth going through such a firestorm to get tenancy/ownership of a truly iconic stadium and the suitors it'd have attracted.

Going back to the finances/honesty issue: I dont doubt that this lot wont have opened themselves up to criminal proceedings. I just *know without knowing*, if I can put it that way, that the ownership of shares is more labyrinthine than the simple breakdown we see in club accounts. I dont doubt for a second they are owned for now by who the accounts say they are owned by, but who they pass to in the future is another matter as far as I'm concerned. And on that issue I go back to the FSF scam (and it WAS a scam): you cant expect anyone to believe all is as it seems with the owners when we know they went to great lengths to concoct a convoluted fairy story in order to see off the challenge of fellow director. Now, BK is in the business of fantasy productions, but I suspect other influential people were standing behind Kenwright fighting off an aggressive takeover bid and that they weren't doing this just as an act of friendship.

I would have thought that without significant guaranteed income streams that the King's Dock wouldn't have been a viable proposition, but given it's design it may well have been a gold-mine.
If you agree that the board would not have left themselves open to criminal prosecution, then you agree that no illegal activity has occured.
Knowing without knowing is an interesting turn of phrase - do I take it that it means that you have a gut feeling with no evidence to support it.
Regarding the shares,you ultimately admit that they are owned by the people stated in the accounts, but this contradicts your initial assertion of labyrinthine ownership.
As to who they pass to in the future, the answer is simple - whoever they are sold to.
Have you put any verifiable fact forward to support your initial conspiracy theory?
Have you contradicted yourself?
Think this is an agree to disagree situation.
Just for the record, I do want the club sold, I do want fresh investment and I think BK is neither the devil incarnate nor the Messiah.