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The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

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no mate, I think our itk's have all said a significant amount of any fee for Baines would go back into the squad, so imagine we sell Baines for £22m and bring Pienaar, Donovan, Dempsey and Fabian Johnson in to the squad in his place, our squad would be better then it was last season, so yes one step backwards, but then potentially two steps forward.

But that's not the point. You say we have to sell to buy, which is true.

The problem has always been not being able to buy a 5mill player, pocket change in football nowdays, without culling the squad. For a team that has been in the champions league qualifier, Europe, fa cup final, 2 semi finals, top 10 finishes for 90% of Moyes' reign is something that is pathetic.

And don't forget...player sales service debt so Moyes doesn't get all of it
 
Detailed plans for how the club can maximize their revenue streams? Do I have money to do something the club should be doing anyway?

These phantom buyers who have come in, like bill has said, will have had to come in with a proposal, a vision...then they talk price of how much the club is worth and were still here 12 years later.

Additionally, unless all these people that have come to bill with proposals and a vision for the club have been so poor he's turned them away...where is his vision of the future for the club? He has none.

Villa make more money commercially than us for years, Fulham and west ham on par with us...

If that's all we can do, then ill hold my hands up.

Bottom line is going to be the price. Bills made enough noise to say he doesn't want any snide taking over the club. Dont you think someone legit would have come in by now? Unless every one in the world is dodgy as fook over 12 years...

If the BU are so adamant that the Kenwright regime are running the club into the ground, it should be easy for them to at least give some idea as to how it should be turned around. Otherwise their statements have zero weight.
 
But that's not the point. You say we have to sell to buy, which is true.

The problem has always been not being able to buy a 5mill player, pocket change in football nowdays, without culling the squad. For a team that has been in the champions league qualifier, Europe, fa cup final, 2 semi finals, top 10 finishes for 90% of Moyes' reign is something that is pathetic.

And don't forget...player sales service debt so Moyes doesn't get all of it

How does this change until there is a definitive bid made for the club or at least some investment, it's in those scenarios when I believe there comes a time for protest if the wrong decisions are made by the club.
 
I'd also like somebody to break down where exactly the current regime are going wrong with the business side of things, and what financial gain we would see from changing the ownership if they were not mega rich.

And no, saying 'SELL MORE SHIRTS IN ASIA WITH CHANG' doesn't count.

Kings Dock - It was clear for a long time that Goodison was not fit for purpose. It was also clear that the club didn't have the required amouts to change that. An opportunity of a lifetime with enabling partners that didn't want a pound of flesh arose and through Gregg we would have been able to fund it. The reason Gregg was ousted was because his solution would have eventually seen him take control of the club.

Despite this the value of the club would have rose exponentially and several different revenue streams opened. 50% of something, or even 10% is better than a hundred percent of fcuk all, which based on several informed opinions, is what the club is now worth.

While pretty much the whole football world recognized the game was changing and massive new audiences and opportunities were opening up with regard to corporate hospitality, non-matchday income and brand identities we have sat on our hands at Goodison Park without making a single noticeable change for the whole of Kenwrights reign.

Corporate hospitality - Sodexho are in charge of every aspect of our food and drinks sales, hospitality and almost everything a club can use to generate matchday income. The reason for this is because it was managed so, so poorly in the past. I couldn't give a definite figure of how much they make from us but what we can say is that managed properly, money they make could have been ours. It also means that we lose control of what we offer and what our brand standards are.

Merchandising - Kitbag now control all our merchandising for another 8 years for a set fee. Over the past three to five years there's been a massive uplift in sponsors fees paid to clubs just to manufacture kits. The reason for this is the massive exposure the PL offers in almost every corner of the world.

A seperate entity now plays a massive part in how we negotiate and what the relationship is with our supplier. What if Nike decided they cannot work within the confines of our deal with Kitbag? We could have lost out on major business relationships due to this deal. Also, why go in to such a long term deal at an average of £3m a season when the trend is showing the amounts clubs are recieving is growing at a massive rate. What is the benefit for Everton by signing such a long term deal?

How much we will lose out on over the life of this deal will depend on how well we perform but we have been up towards the top end of the table for a long time.

Kit deal - Villa recieve £6m from thier kit supplier. We recieved £650k. In what way are aston villa a bigger brand to associate yourself with than us? This would be enough to wipe out our annual shortfall that means we have to trade a player every year. And in terms of sales we still don't profit from that as Kitbag control that.

Kirkby - I can't even believe wasting over £4m on a scheme that broke every planning law about needs to even be debated. Never mind every other issue associated with it. The 1000 cyclists that would have gone the game every fortbight would have been some sight though.

The sale - Keith Harris, a man who Kenwright has said is involved in the sale of the club, stated on Sky that the club is up for sale at around £150m. Ignore the ridiculous price and the amount you would need to spend on ground upgrades and look at it from a business sense.

You are buying a business that you would no doubt like to grow. What area will you start?

In ground, Sodexho have got that sewn up. No room for manouvre. You will recieve the same fee the last group did.

Merchandising? If you spend a bit on players and grow the club then new fans will want to spend money on kits, merchandise and everything else. You may even be at the point where your looking to open stores abroad if your clever. Real madrid claimed both Ronaldo and Beckhams shirt sales paid for the players transfer fee's comfortably.

Except, You'd have to wait 8 years until you can take advantage of any kind. Because any uplift in sales will benefit Kitbag. Any store you open will be opened by kitbag. Any new kit deal you go after will have to be within whatever Kitbag find agreeable.

Sponsors may offer a route to grow but you have a long term deal in place with Chang. So you would again be limited. That deal is also well below what clubs such as Fulham and other recieve.

Debt payments. Aston Villa, Bolton, Fulham and a few other clubs have debt well over double what most estimates of ours are. Despite this we spend around £4.5m a year interest payments while they all pay under a mill.

The most ridiculous thing that I can't get my head around when I see people support this regime is how they think they do a decent job when it took 5 months to get our wall rebuilt. A wall, not a ground.
 
If the BU are so adamant that the Kenwright regime are running the club into the ground, it should be easy for them to at least give some idea as to how it should be turned around. Otherwise their statements have zero weight.

They've never said he's running the club into the ground, they've said he's not taking the club forward. Since kirkby fell through, the club is rudderless

He's sold everything and still runs at a 5mill loss on the back of zero investment or major out goings or players bought.

Their solution is to bring in a 3rd party, like the Barclays did with the rs, to sell.

Afterall, if you've been trying to sell your car for 12 years...you're either doing something wrong or no one wants it
 

They've never said he's running the club into the ground, they've said he's not taking the club forward. Since kirkby fell through, the club is rudderless

He's sold everything and still runs at a 5mill loss on the back of zero investment or major out goings or players bought.

Their solution is to bring in a 3rd party, like the Barclays did with the rs, to sell.

Afterall, if you've been trying to sell your car for 12 years...you're either doing something wrong or no one wants it

The term they use is 'stagnation', and it is apt.
 
Corporate hospitality - Sodexho are in charge of every aspect of our food and drinks sales, hospitality and almost everything a club can use to generate matchday income. The reason for this is because it was managed so, so poorly in the past. I couldn't give a definite figure of how much they make from us but what we can say is that managed properly, money they make could have been ours. It also means that we lose control of what we offer and what our brand standards are.

Do other clubs not outsource their catering ?

Merchandising - Kitbag now control all our merchandising for another 8 years for a set fee. Over the past three to five years there's been a massive uplift in sponsors fees paid to clubs just to manufacture kits. The reason for this is the massive exposure the PL offers in almost every corner of the world.

7 years. Is the £3m a year lower than other clubs ?

A seperate entity now plays a massive part in how we negotiate and what the relationship is with our supplier. What if Nike decided they cannot work within the confines of our deal with Kitbag? We could have lost out on major business relationships due to this deal. Also, why go in to such a long term deal at an average of £3m a season when the trend is showing the amounts clubs are recieving is growing at a massive rate. What is the benefit for Everton by signing such a long term deal?

Long term deals make the banks happy. Guaranteed income.

Kit deal - Villa recieve £6m from thier kit supplier. We recieved £650k. In what way are aston villa a bigger brand to associate yourself with than us? This would be enough to wipe out our annual shortfall that means we have to trade a player every year. And in terms of sales we still don't profit from that as Kitbag control that.

Proof ? I have not seen any actual financial account or evidence to back up that £650k figure.

The sale - Keith Harris, a man who Kenwright has said is involved in the sale of the club, stated on Sky that the club is up for sale at around £150m. Ignore the ridiculous price and the amount you would need to spend on ground upgrades and look at it from a business sense.

When was this ?

Debt payments. Aston Villa, Bolton, Fulham and a few other clubs have debt well over double what most estimates of ours are. Despite this we spend around £4.5m a year interest payments while they all pay under a mill.

All debt is not equal. A large amount of Fulham and Villa's debts are interest free loans from the owners themselves, no ?
 
How does this change until there is a definitive bid made for the club or at least some investment, it's in those scenarios when I believe there comes a time for protest if the wrong decisions are made by the club.

It shouldve change from following the same business strategy Johnson did. It hasn't.

We got to an fa cup final...sold Lescott. If Lescott didn't want to leave, we wouldnt have invested in the squad...just like the following year when we got beckford on a free and made zero transfers because no one was sold.

So, under kenwright et all, any success gained means nothing the following year as that successful squad needs culling to try and move forward.

You get nowhere with that
 
no mate, I think our itk's have all said a significant amount of any fee for Baines would go back into the squad, so imagine we sell Baines for £22m and bring Pienaar, Donovan, Dempsey and Fabian Johnson in to the squad in his place, our squad would be better then it was last season, so yes one step backwards, but then potentially two steps forward.

Baines is reputed to earn £50k per week.

The players you mention would cost us about £200k per week by my estimate. That would wipe out any fee recieved for Baines within three years. Two if you take into account the fee's you would have to pay for each player.

Then for the rest of their contract you go deeper into debt because your wage bill has spiralled or you do waht we did last year and sell everyone.
 

Do other clubs not outsource their catering ?



7 years. Is the £3m a year lower than other clubs ?



Long term deals make the banks happy. Guaranteed income.



Proof ? I have not seen any actual financial account or evidence to back up that £650k figure.



When was this ?



All debt is not equal. A large amount of Fulham and Villa's debts are interest free loans from the owners themselves, no ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukb3xY7Feo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Around 150million? Harris agrees
 
Kings Dock - It was clear for a long time that Goodison was not fit for purpose. It was also clear that the club didn't have the required amouts to change that. An opportunity of a lifetime with enabling partners that didn't want a pound of flesh arose and through Gregg we would have been able to fund it. The reason Gregg was ousted was because his solution would have eventually seen him take control of the club.

Despite this the value of the club would have rose exponentially and several different revenue streams opened. 50% of something, or even 10% is better than a hundred percent of fcuk all, which based on several informed opinions, is what the club is now worth.

While pretty much the whole football world recognized the game was changing and massive new audiences and opportunities were opening up with regard to corporate hospitality, non-matchday income and brand identities we have sat on our hands at Goodison Park without making a single noticeable change for the whole of Kenwrights reign.

Corporate hospitality - Sodexho are in charge of every aspect of our food and drinks sales, hospitality and almost everything a club can use to generate matchday income. The reason for this is because it was managed so, so poorly in the past. I couldn't give a definite figure of how much they make from us but what we can say is that managed properly, money they make could have been ours. It also means that we lose control of what we offer and what our brand standards are.

Merchandising - Kitbag now control all our merchandising for another 8 years for a set fee. Over the past three to five years there's been a massive uplift in sponsors fees paid to clubs just to manufacture kits. The reason for this is the massive exposure the PL offers in almost every corner of the world.

A seperate entity now plays a massive part in how we negotiate and what the relationship is with our supplier. What if Nike decided they cannot work within the confines of our deal with Kitbag? We could have lost out on major business relationships due to this deal. Also, why go in to such a long term deal at an average of £3m a season when the trend is showing the amounts clubs are recieving is growing at a massive rate. What is the benefit for Everton by signing such a long term deal?

How much we will lose out on over the life of this deal will depend on how well we perform but we have been up towards the top end of the table for a long time.

Kit deal - Villa recieve £6m from thier kit supplier. We recieved £650k. In what way are aston villa a bigger brand to associate yourself with than us? This would be enough to wipe out our annual shortfall that means we have to trade a player every year. And in terms of sales we still don't profit from that as Kitbag control that.

Kirkby - I can't even believe wasting over £4m on a scheme that broke every planning law about needs to even be debated. Never mind every other issue associated with it. The 1000 cyclists that would have gone the game every fortbight would have been some sight though.

The sale - Keith Harris, a man who Kenwright has said is involved in the sale of the club, stated on Sky that the club is up for sale at around £150m. Ignore the ridiculous price and the amount you would need to spend on ground upgrades and look at it from a business sense.

You are buying a business that you would no doubt like to grow. What area will you start?

In ground, Sodexho have got that sewn up. No room for manouvre. You will recieve the same fee the last group did.

Merchandising? If you spend a bit on players and grow the club then new fans will want to spend money on kits, merchandise and everything else. You may even be at the point where your looking to open stores abroad if your clever. Real madrid claimed both Ronaldo and Beckhams shirt sales paid for the players transfer fee's comfortably.

Except, You'd have to wait 8 years until you can take advantage of any kind. Because any uplift in sales will benefit Kitbag. Any store you open will be opened by kitbag. Any new kit deal you go after will have to be within whatever Kitbag find agreeable.

Sponsors may offer a route to grow but you have a long term deal in place with Chang. So you would again be limited. That deal is also well below what clubs such as Fulham and other recieve.

Debt payments. Aston Villa, Bolton, Fulham and a few other clubs have debt well over double what most estimates of ours are. Despite this we spend around £4.5m a year interest payments while they all pay under a mill.

The most ridiculous thing that I can't get my head around when I see people support this regime is how they think they do a decent job when it took 5 months to get our wall rebuilt. A wall, not a ground.


OMG... fukking BINGO!!!

Happy clappers, surly you can read?

An still, some defend this bastard
 
Do other clubs not outsource their catering ?



7 years. Is the £3m a year lower than other clubs ?



Long term deals make the banks happy. Guaranteed income.



Proof ? I have not seen any actual financial account or evidence to back up that £650k figure.



When was this ?



All debt is not equal. A large amount of Fulham and Villa's debts are interest free loans from the owners themselves, no ?
Mate, iv got a huge jar of coffee here..

seriously you need to fukking wake up an come an have a smell of it..

you are seriously deluded..

not havin a pop, being honest like.
 

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