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The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

Is it time for Change...???

  • Kenwright an the Board out, We need Change.

    Votes: 503 80.0%
  • Im Happy with the way thing are. Kenwright an the Board should stay

    Votes: 126 20.0%

  • Total voters
    629
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Mate, iv got a huge jar of coffee here..

seriously you need to fukking wake up an come an have a smell of it..

you are seriously deluded..

not havin a pop, being honest like.

What is your problem ?

I'm honestly starting to think you can't read !

I have said OVER and OVER and OVER that i am not a supporter of the current board. What i am interested in is understanding where the club is behind compared to other premier league clubs, and where it is not. That is why i'm asking the questions, not because i have an agenda. You need to take the bloody blinkers off and realise that people can be interested in facts without being against you. Quite frankly it puts people off posting when you get called an idiot for saying anything other than 'Kenwright is a dick and i hope he dies'.

If there's anybody who needs to 'wake up', then it's you, because i've done nothing in this thread other than try to understand the current situation of the club, and discuss it with other blues. If you don't want to do that then fair enough, but don't you dare try and tell me that i'm deluded, when you clearly aren't prepared to even listen to what i'm actually saying.

Jesus christ almighty.

I would also add that it is this kind of militant 'with us or against us' attitude that has put a lot of people i know off the Blue Union. Immature, and not the behaviour i expect from one blue to another at all.

But yeah, i'm deluded because i want to know whether other clubs outsource their catering or not. I love Kenwright me like.
 
Kings Dock - It was clear for a long time that Goodison was not fit for purpose. It was also clear that the club didn't have the required amouts to change that. An opportunity of a lifetime with enabling partners that didn't want a pound of flesh arose and through Gregg we would have been able to fund it. The reason Gregg was ousted was because his solution would have eventually seen him take control of the club.

Despite this the value of the club would have rose exponentially and several different revenue streams opened. 50% of something, or even 10% is better than a hundred percent of fcuk all, which based on several informed opinions, is what the club is now worth.

While pretty much the whole football world recognized the game was changing and massive new audiences and opportunities were opening up with regard to corporate hospitality, non-matchday income and brand identities we have sat on our hands at Goodison Park without making a single noticeable change for the whole of Kenwrights reign.

Corporate hospitality - Sodexho are in charge of every aspect of our food and drinks sales, hospitality and almost everything a club can use to generate matchday income. The reason for this is because it was managed so, so poorly in the past. I couldn't give a definite figure of how much they make from us but what we can say is that managed properly, money they make could have been ours. It also means that we lose control of what we offer and what our brand standards are.

Merchandising - Kitbag now control all our merchandising for another 8 years for a set fee. Over the past three to five years there's been a massive uplift in sponsors fees paid to clubs just to manufacture kits. The reason for this is the massive exposure the PL offers in almost every corner of the world.

A seperate entity now plays a massive part in how we negotiate and what the relationship is with our supplier. What if Nike decided they cannot work within the confines of our deal with Kitbag? We could have lost out on major business relationships due to this deal. Also, why go in to such a long term deal at an average of £3m a season when the trend is showing the amounts clubs are recieving is growing at a massive rate. What is the benefit for Everton by signing such a long term deal?

How much we will lose out on over the life of this deal will depend on how well we perform but we have been up towards the top end of the table for a long time.

Kit deal - Villa recieve £6m from thier kit supplier. We recieved £650k. In what way are aston villa a bigger brand to associate yourself with than us? This would be enough to wipe out our annual shortfall that means we have to trade a player every year. And in terms of sales we still don't profit from that as Kitbag control that.

Kirkby - I can't even believe wasting over £4m on a scheme that broke every planning law about needs to even be debated. Never mind every other issue associated with it. The 1000 cyclists that would have gone the game every fortbight would have been some sight though.

The sale - Keith Harris, a man who Kenwright has said is involved in the sale of the club, stated on Sky that the club is up for sale at around £150m. Ignore the ridiculous price and the amount you would need to spend on ground upgrades and look at it from a business sense.

You are buying a business that you would no doubt like to grow. What area will you start?

In ground, Sodexho have got that sewn up. No room for manouvre. You will recieve the same fee the last group did.

Merchandising? If you spend a bit on players and grow the club then new fans will want to spend money on kits, merchandise and everything else. You may even be at the point where your looking to open stores abroad if your clever. Real madrid claimed both Ronaldo and Beckhams shirt sales paid for the players transfer fee's comfortably.

Except, You'd have to wait 8 years until you can take advantage of any kind. Because any uplift in sales will benefit Kitbag. Any store you open will be opened by kitbag. Any new kit deal you go after will have to be within whatever Kitbag find agreeable.

Sponsors may offer a route to grow but you have a long term deal in place with Chang. So you would again be limited. That deal is also well below what clubs such as Fulham and other recieve.

Debt payments. Aston Villa, Bolton, Fulham and a few other clubs have debt well over double what most estimates of ours are. Despite this we spend around £4.5m a year interest payments while they all pay under a mill.

The most ridiculous thing that I can't get my head around when I see people support this regime is how they think they do a decent job when it took 5 months to get our wall rebuilt. A wall, not a ground.

so who's gonna post what good bill has done?

erm.........

got lucky on moyes think thats about it!

CLAP CLAP FOOKING CLAP
 
What is your problem ?

I'm honestly starting to think you can't read !

I have said OVER and OVER and OVER that i am not a supporter of the current board. What i am interested in is understanding where the club is behind compared to other premier league clubs, and where it is not. That is why i'm asking the questions, not because i have an agenda. You need to take the bloody blinkers off and realise that people can be interested in facts without being against you. Quite frankly it puts people off posting when you get called an idiot for saying anything other than 'Kenwright is a dick and i hope he dies'.

If there's anybody who needs to 'wake up', then it's you, because i've done nothing in this thread other than try to understand the current situation of the club, and discuss it with other blues. If you don't want to do that then fair enough, but don't you dare try and tell me that i'm deluded, when you clearly aren't prepared to even listen to what i'm actually saying.

Jesus christ almighty.

I would also add that it is this kind of militant 'with us or against us' attitude that has put a lot of people i know off the Blue Union. Immature, and not the behaviour i expect from one blue to another at all.

But yeah, i'm deluded because i want to know whether other clubs outsource their catering or not. I love Kenwright me like.


Sorry mate, I'm proper scared now. Normally I bark a bit an people leave me to it.

You've put me right on the spot an I'm feeling a little frightened right now.

can we just kiss with tounges an make up. But tell any one thou, don't want to lose my street cred like, ja get me kid!!


opens huge jar of Dow egberts**
 
Leave it out fox, you should now by know that i don't like the board.

Look at my sig for f***s sake.
leave what out royston i was just enquiring if sharpy had an afternoon on the sherberts,i wish i had .your not sticking white powder up your nostrils r you royston .
 

Kings Dock - It was clear for a long time that Goodison was not fit for purpose. It was also clear that the club didn't have the required amouts to change that. An opportunity of a lifetime with enabling partners that didn't want a pound of flesh arose and through Gregg we would have been able to fund it. The reason Gregg was ousted was because his solution would have eventually seen him take control of the club.

Despite this the value of the club would have rose exponentially and several different revenue streams opened. 50% of something, or even 10% is better than a hundred percent of fcuk all, which based on several informed opinions, is what the club is now worth.

While pretty much the whole football world recognized the game was changing and massive new audiences and opportunities were opening up with regard to corporate hospitality, non-matchday income and brand identities we have sat on our hands at Goodison Park without making a single noticeable change for the whole of Kenwrights reign.

Corporate hospitality - Sodexho are in charge of every aspect of our food and drinks sales, hospitality and almost everything a club can use to generate matchday income. The reason for this is because it was managed so, so poorly in the past. I couldn't give a definite figure of how much they make from us but what we can say is that managed properly, money they make could have been ours. It also means that we lose control of what we offer and what our brand standards are.

Merchandising - Kitbag now control all our merchandising for another 8 years for a set fee. Over the past three to five years there's been a massive uplift in sponsors fees paid to clubs just to manufacture kits. The reason for this is the massive exposure the PL offers in almost every corner of the world.

A seperate entity now plays a massive part in how we negotiate and what the relationship is with our supplier. What if Nike decided they cannot work within the confines of our deal with Kitbag? We could have lost out on major business relationships due to this deal. Also, why go in to such a long term deal at an average of £3m a season when the trend is showing the amounts clubs are recieving is growing at a massive rate. What is the benefit for Everton by signing such a long term deal?

How much we will lose out on over the life of this deal will depend on how well we perform but we have been up towards the top end of the table for a long time.

Kit deal - Villa recieve £6m from thier kit supplier. We recieved £650k. In what way are aston villa a bigger brand to associate yourself with than us? This would be enough to wipe out our annual shortfall that means we have to trade a player every year. And in terms of sales we still don't profit from that as Kitbag control that.

Kirkby - I can't even believe wasting over £4m on a scheme that broke every planning law about needs to even be debated. Never mind every other issue associated with it. The 1000 cyclists that would have gone the game every fortbight would have been some sight though.

The sale - Keith Harris, a man who Kenwright has said is involved in the sale of the club, stated on Sky that the club is up for sale at around £150m. Ignore the ridiculous price and the amount you would need to spend on ground upgrades and look at it from a business sense.

You are buying a business that you would no doubt like to grow. What area will you start?

In ground, Sodexho have got that sewn up. No room for manouvre. You will recieve the same fee the last group did.

Merchandising? If you spend a bit on players and grow the club then new fans will want to spend money on kits, merchandise and everything else. You may even be at the point where your looking to open stores abroad if your clever. Real madrid claimed both Ronaldo and Beckhams shirt sales paid for the players transfer fee's comfortably.

Except, You'd have to wait 8 years until you can take advantage of any kind. Because any uplift in sales will benefit Kitbag. Any store you open will be opened by kitbag. Any new kit deal you go after will have to be within whatever Kitbag find agreeable.

Sponsors may offer a route to grow but you have a long term deal in place with Chang. So you would again be limited. That deal is also well below what clubs such as Fulham and other recieve.

Debt payments. Aston Villa, Bolton, Fulham and a few other clubs have debt well over double what most estimates of ours are. Despite this we spend around £4.5m a year interest payments while they all pay under a mill.

The most ridiculous thing that I can't get my head around when I see people support this regime is how they think they do a decent job when it took 5 months to get our wall rebuilt. A wall, not a ground.

Fantastic post mate.
 
Genuine question, lot of people here digging at eachother and downplaying ideas for revenue and furthering our club.

Has anyone got any ideas that would benefit our club, or other lines of revenue we are missing out on, or how to improve lines of revenue we currently have? Obviously a new board would help like, but apart from that. There's a lot of clever people on this board, Muggz asked this earlier, does anyone have any ideas?

I think it'd be more interesting than a ****ging match.
 
Honestly, I think we have to overachieve and make the CL groups stages. And then do it again within a few years. We have to get rid of the bad debt (high interest payments), and fund a new stadium or regeneration of Goodison.

I'm not at all convinced those kitbag and Chang deals are unbreakable. I'm sure there's a penalty clause in there, but if the opportunities to get more outweighed it, my guess is it would be doable.
 

Genuine question, lot of people here digging at eachother and downplaying ideas for revenue and furthering our club.

Has anyone got any ideas that would benefit our club, or other lines of revenue we are missing out on, or how to improve lines of revenue we currently have? Obviously a new board would help like, but apart from that. There's a lot of clever people on this board, Muggz asked this earlier, does anyone have any ideas?

I think it'd be more interesting than a ****ging match.

Are you not entertained?
 
Do other clubs not outsource their catering ?

Some do, some don't. Sodexho are very,very good at it so if your going to do you should be with them. The question is for a club run on such tight margins can you afford to have another company taking revenue that could be yours? I'd say no. It may be the difference between losing or keeping a Pienaar.



7 years. Is the £3m a year lower than other clubs ?

Correct we are now into the third year. The £3m is lower than what other clubs in our peer group recieve as subsidy just for kit manufacture alone I.e. Villa. they are keeping the profits on kit sales too. Most clubs will be making substantially more although I haven't got access to each clubs accounts. WHU chairperson K.Brady once suggested that while at Brum they expected to sell 50,000 replica kits per season. 50,000 x £75 = ??? And that's a club nowhere near our size and that doesn't account for all the other merch people buy.


Long term deals make the banks happy. Guaranteed income.

Disagree. Companies maximising every possible income stream makes banks happy because there's less chance of them asking for a loan or defaulting and more dosh goes through it's books. Selling football kits and merchandise is as good as guarenteed anyway. We're not all going to change sides are we?


Proof ? I have not seen any actual financial account or evidence to back up that £650k figure.

The official line from the club was it offered "new marketing opportunities" rather than money up front.which it should do, but villa get £6m a year and other clubs of a similar stature are all recieveing big payments and the marketing opportunities too. The figure was widely reported and was in the Echo which has an inside line to the club.

When was this ?



All debt is not equal. A large amount of Fulham and Villa's debts are interest free loans from the owners themselves, no ?



I can't go and link everything with times, dates sources of info and everything else because I don't have the time or the patience for all of that stuff. Plus I still haven't got a clue how this site works other than basic posts.

What I'd say is if anybody thinks that KEIOC or the BU are harming the club they should at least spend a bit of thier own time researching the facts that can be found, I can guartentee there's a lot of stuff out there.

If that's still your view after looking into some of the things that have happened then you'd have my respect because at least you'd be informed.

The Paul Gregg interview on BK was an eye opener for me and was what sparked my interest!!!
 
Those crying out for new ownership should maybe look into the news that broke for Cardiff City today. This is just the sort of thing we could be up against.
 
Those crying out for new ownership should maybe look into the news that broke for Cardiff City today. This is just the sort of thing we could be up against.

I love the way no one ever mentions Chelsea, Man City, Reading, Arsenal, Sunderland, QPR when they talk of new ownership
 

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