The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Allezfan]

Peter Hill-Wood has been at arsenal since 1982.

Majeski has been at reading since 1990 and whelan has been at wigan since 95.

And Coates took over stoke in 89 but sold it in the 90s and then took over again in 2005.

 

[Brennan]

Peter Hill-Wood has been at arsenal since 1982.

Majeski has been at reading since 1990 and whelan has been at wigan since 95.

And Coates took over stoke in 89 but sold it in the 90s and then took over again in 2005.

Ten more years please Bill.

 

[Allezfan]

Crikey how long is it to go now?

Our current longest trophy droubt is from 39 to 63 which is 24 years but given there was no football up until 1945-46 it's better thought of as 17 seasons. This is our 19th season since we last won a trophy.

So depending on how you look at it we're either in the single worst trophy droubt in our history or we're 5 years off it. Either way it's not really acceptable. It's comfortably the worst two decade period in our history, on the pitch.

 

[griffla]

I wonder how many times Bill has woke up in the morning and thought after 13 years of winning nothing it,s about time I moved over for someone else. I mean, how long can you keep kidding yourself that your a "player" in a rich mans business when you don,t have the money in your pocket to play on the top table.

The thing is, everton and all other prem clubs are constantly increasing in value. The new tv deal starts next year and the deal after that could be twice as much again. What I'm saying is don't hold your breath when it comes to Bill selling.

 

[Ruairi77]

Peter Hill-Wood has been at arsenal since 1982.

Majeski has been at reading since 1990 and whelan has been at wigan since 95.

And Coates took over stoke in 89 but sold it in the 90s and then took over again in 2005.

Thanks Artetafan!

 

[Moomin]

Nike don't own Umbro.

And now i'll try answer in such a way that you may understand. The main reason will be numbers, and specifically how big the profit margin is for Nike; they will take into account previous sales figure, estimated sales prediction, sourcing, producing, shipping, shelf expectency etc etc of the product. They'll have a profitable figure for each shirt (could be £5, could be £10); now after calculating all the previous items listed an average cost per shirt will be generated, if this match there proftable figure then it won't be produced. Basically, there is no market for the item.

Now, if you don't understand this, your next question will be 'blah blah blah but Umbro and LCS did and they must have made money'. And yes, you are correct, but maybe, just maybe there margins are lot lower than Nikes and any profit is profit to these companies; after all Nike are global leaders in this field.

Compare it to Tesco and 99p stores; Tesco have a reasonable profit on most goods; when negotiating with suppliers there will be some leeway on prices (probably £s), they know what sells, what people purchase (based on Post Code and avg salary) and will stocks stores accordingly. Then we have the 99p stores, every item is negotiated down to the penny, thats were the profit lies; make a penny on an item and its profit, save a penny when negotiating its a profit.

And thats the difference; if there is no call for the product - Nike won't manufature it unless its really cost effective to them; on the other hand, the 2 mentioned brands wouldn't care less because it could be a small profit for them.



As do all manufacturing companies; it won't be worth there while. But that being the only reason; i doubt it very much

Interesting debate here. I like the introduction of manufacturing systems chris has brought to the debate. But with regards to the female and kids kit not being cost effective for Nike, is wrong on this occasion. Nike is just the supplier, they are not distributing the kit or bringing it to market. Its Kitbag who has this responsibility.

They have probably gone to Nike with estimates of sales ( based on previous years sales ) gave Kitbag a price and they were not happy with the profit margins so scrapped it. Nike would manufacture what was required, as long as they got paid what they asked for. Kitbag would make the commercial decision, not Nike.

 

[billy bluestar]

Our current longest trophy droubt is from 39 to 63 which is 24 years but given there was no football up until 1945-46 it's better thought of as 17 seasons. This is our 19th season since we last won a trophy.

So depending on how you look at it we're either in the single worst trophy droubt in our history or we're 5 years off it. Either way it's not really acceptable. It's comfortably the worst two decade period in our history, on the pitch.

17 years, still got me photo at home with joe royle, fa cup and Andre kanckelsik( however you spelt it) from the Dixie dean suite. Joe royle saying to us, " we've not signed him yet." With the big wink.

 

[nsno-chris]

Interesting debate here. I like the introduction of manufacturing systems chris has brought to the debate. But with regards to the female and kids kit not being cost effective for Nike, is wrong on this occasion. Nike is just the supplier, they are not distributing the kit or bringing it to market. Its Kitbag who has this responsibility.

They have probably gone to Nike with estimates of sales ( based on previous years sales ) gave Kitbag a price and they were not happy with the profit margins so scrapped it. Nike would manufacture what was required, as long as they got paid what they asked for. Kitbag would make the commercial decision, not Nike.

I see where you coming from and it is possibility that Kitbag took the decision not to market the product; but its also the possibility that order size vs profit margin per item that Nike also refused to manufacture. Like I said before, if Nike have a profit margin per item figure, and the production of womens and babies kits was short of this, they'd refuse point blank.

 

[kenada_blue]

Nike DON'T own Umbro

When we signed to Nike they did. Umbro wasn't sold off by Nike till December 2012 from what I've read.

But it's beside the point I guess

 

[Moomin]

I see where you coming from and it is possibility that Kitbag took the decision not to market the product; but its also the possibility that order size vs profit margin per item that Nike also refused to manufacture. Like I said before, if Nike have a profit margin per item figure, and the production of womens and babies kits was short of this, they'd refuse point blank.

I don't even think Kitbag and Nike would have had a discussion over order sizes, Nike would just say this is the minimum order level required before we produce, take it or leave it. Kitbag would not want to risk having excess stock hitting their margins so never bothered, just focused on the high runners ( Men and children )

 

[Brennan]

I don't even think Kitbag and Nike would have had a discussion over order sizes, Nike would just say this is the minimum order level required before we produce, take it or leave it. Kitbag would not want to risk having excess stock hitting their margins so never bothered, just focused on the high runners ( Men and children )

Precisely.

 

[Ihaters]

Our current longest trophy droubt is from 39 to 63 which is 24 years but given there was no football up until 1945-46 it's better thought of as 17 seasons. This is our 19th season since we last won a trophy.

So depending on how you look at it we're either in the single worst trophy droubt in our history or we're 5 years off it. Either way it's not really acceptable. It's comfortably the worst two decade period in our history, on the pitch.

I like to think of it as we are a few games away from ending it.

 

[Allezfan]

I like to think of it as we are a few games away from ending it.

Win tomorrow and it's three games, like.

 

[ToffeeMike]

Only a matter of time before Moyes loses patience and Kenwright only has himself to blame.

Investment needed. Time is running out.

 

[formerly manx toffee]

Moyes only has himself to blame really. He has steadfastly backed BK and whilst e has had complete control he has always had one hand tied behind hid back.

BK has somehow managed to outlast him.

Sad.