The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[By god I'm blue]

The Blue Union interview was set-up as a chance for the two parties to engage. Whatever the reasoning the Blue Union subsequently released the transcript against the club's wishes. It did not portray him in any other way that a well-intentioned old theatre luvvie. There was no smoking gun.

There is no evidence of any kind he's turned down any realistic offer for the club.

It's his opponents that use the line "World's biggest Evertonian" not Kenwright.

Is your description of everyone that doesn't support the Blue Union really helpful? I've not bought into any of his spin - nor that of your Blue Union either.

I'll stick to making up my own mind thanks.

Where have I said anywhere in there that I was for the BU? Oh dear, blinkered view is blinkered!

 

[Dell Boy]

Where have I said anywhere in there that I was for the BU? Oh dear, blinkered view is blinkered!

The words you've used to describe Kenwright are straight from the anti-Bill brigade handbook. Whether that is nominally the same as the Blue Union camp I couldn't care less to get into such specifics.

 

[sheeds]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I'm surprised people can read steve's posts and see him as a kenwright apologist , it's possible to identify issues whilst not painting him as the anti-Christ . I've said before I certainly believe I'm more 'anti-bill' than Steve but his posts seem pretty well informed, or at least reasoned , to me.

 

[By god I'm blue]

The words you've used to describe Kenwright are straight from the anti-Bill brigade handbook. Whether that is nominally the same as the Blue Union camp I couldn't care less to get into such specifics.

I am 44 years old and able to make my own mind up. These are my opinions and nothing to do with anything that anybody makes me believe. The anti-Bill brigade handbook......you do realise how stupid that comes across, don't you?

You accuse others of not having facts to back things up, then have the cheek to post this rubbish.

I shall engage no further, you are clearly a hypocrite.

 

[By god I'm blue]

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but I'm surprised people can read steve's posts and see him as a kenwright apologist , it's possible to identify issues whilst not painting him as the anti-Christ . I've said before I certainly believe I'm more 'anti-bill' than Steve but his posts seem pretty well informed, or at least reasoned , to me.

I don't think Steve is an apologist.

But having read his numerous posts on the subject over the years, it's almost like he won't hear many bad words against Bill, which he is very entitled to of course as is his perogative.

IMO he shirks the bigger issue, that being that Bill is a massive failure at Everton and has left the club in a perilous state of affairs financially.

He defends Bill's honour, and being a gentleman he is entitled to do that. Not of it matters a jot of course.

 

[Steve Wigan]

We can debate all you want Steve. Not really sorry if my choice of words does not meet your approval, but I am completely bored to death of people giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I would make a great luvvie, I have a velvet smoking jacket and everything. As for being a premier league chairman, I imagine Ronald Macdonald would have sorted out the clubs fortunes better than his fellow clown has.

What a weak argument that is though! I am not an actor either but I can spot when somebody is not very good in a film. I am not a footballer but can see when somebody is having a bad game and I am not a chef, but I know when I have a bad meal.

So...you've got the velvet smoking jacket. Have you got the negotiating skills? You're entitled to your opinion about how well a player performs, and youre entitled to your opinion as to whether or not you like an actor in a film...but these are your opinions, they are not facts. It is a fact that BK has been very successful in his chosen career...in FACT a senior executive for a major chain of provincial theatres once told me that without Bill Kenwright provincial theatre in this country would be virtually dead. Not the kind of thing you hear about a 'moron' or 'a bumbling idiot' or a 'cowboy'. There is a hell of a lot wrong at Everton at present, and youre perfectly entitled to sling as much mud and call the chairman whatever names you like, but please don't make the mistake of thinking that Bill Kenwright is anything but a clever operator in his chosen business. As I said in my long 'paragraphless' posting, Bill wrongly applied show business methods to the running of Everton, because he knew no other way, so in one respect you are right in that he is out of his depth, something he admitted when he became chairman.

 

[Dell Boy]

I shall engage no further, you are clearly a hypocrite.

Taxi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[By god I'm blue]

So...you've got the velvet smoking jacket. Have you got the negotiating skills? You're entitled to your opinion about how well a player performs, and youre entitled to your opinion as to whether or not you like an actor in a film...but these are your opinions, they are not facts. It is a fact that BK has been very successful in his chosen career...in FACT a senior executive for a major chain of provincial theatres once told me that without Bill Kenwright provincial theatre in this country would be virtually dead. Not the kind of thing you hear about a 'moron' or 'a bumbling idiot' or a 'cowboy'. There is a hell of a lot wrong at Everton at present, and youre perfectly entitled to sling as much mud and call the chairman whatever names you like, but please don't make the mistake of thinking that Bill Kenwright is anything but a clever operator in his chosen business. As I said in my long 'paragraphless' posting, Bill wrongly applied show business methods to the running of Everton, because he knew no other way, so in one respect you are right in that he is out of his depth, something he admitted when he became chairman.

But Steve, I have never once questioned his abilities as a theatre impresario! All of my comments relate to his management of our football club.

If I wanted to discuss his business acumen relating to the theatre, I would go on whatever forum is related to that.

Surely you are wise enough to know that mate?

We are discussing Everton here, not Educating Bloody Rita!

 

[By god I'm blue]

Taxi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, get in it and drive very far away

 

[Steve Wigan]

But Steve, I have never once questioned his abilities as a theatre impresario! All of my comments relate to his management of our football club.

If I wanted to discuss his business acumen relating to the theatre, I would go on whatever forum is related to that.

Surely you are wise enough to know that mate?

We are discussing Everton here, not Educating Bloody Rita!

...so read my last post, above, and tell me that it doesn't say ' Bill wrongly applied show business methods to the running of Everton, because he knew no other way,so in one respect you are right in that he is out of his depth, something he admitted when he became chairman'
Now...is that about Everton or not ?

 

[tommye]

Lads. Instead of getting involved in tit for tat arguments, put each other on ignore if the others opinion bothers you so much. Cheers.

 

[Dell Boy]

Yes, get in it and drive very far away

That's a bit juvenile isn't it?

I am not a Kenwright fan by any means. Equally I think the Blue Union and its cohorts have wasted a great opportunity.

I want a better Everton and am happy to discuss and debate any facts. We all have our opinions and ****ging each other off is hardly helpful for the common good.

 

[By god I'm blue]

...so read my last post, above, and tell me that it doesn't say ' Bill wrongly applied show business methods to the running of Everton, because he knew no other way,so in one respect you are right in that he is out of his depth, something he admitted when he became chairman'
Now...is that about Everton or not ?

Yes, it relates to Everton, but there are no facts to back that opinion up. But OK, so we have some common ground on which to build.

We both agree we have had a chairman who for over 12 years has been completely out of his depth.

Add to that he has left the club in a bad state of financial affairs, failed to find any investment or sell the club, despite telling us he is the best man for the job repeatedly, and now appears to be losing the one thing that has helped to deflect everything bad away from him for the last 10 years (Moyes).......let's hope his days are numbered and somebody with the right motives of running the football club will eventually step forward.

And Dell and Steve, I am done here.....these are only our opinions of course and this is only the internet, there is no malice behind anything from me.

 

[Dell Boy]

And Dell and Steve, I am done here.....these are only our opinions of course and this is only the internet, there is no malice behind anything from me.

Same here!

 

[njligernj]

• Mike Parry ‏@mikeparry8 How many of you lot would have gambled your house against saving Everton? Go on. Would you?

• He appears to be under the impression that if you appreciate what BK did over a decade ago that makes him above criticism for the rest of his life.
  
  On the contrary: quite possible to say "thanks Bill and PFO." He did the right thing then (and made a good manager hire -- even those who want Moyes out now would admit he had his moments) ... but everything since then has been one disaster after another.
  
  I rarely hear anyone say he should never have purchased Everton (and if anyone does say that then they are massively naive because we would have been in serious, serious trouble under a few more years of Johnson).
  
  The issue is the perception that he won't let go (which we've been over a lot).
  
  FWIW I think this point is somewhat important to make because it shows you aren't mindlessly vilifying a person -- he did some good things (a long time ago) but at some point the goodwill from an act runs out (and for most people it ran out about ten years ago when he screwed up our best chance to turn this ship around).
  
  

  Bill wrongly applied show business methods to the running of Everton, because he knew no other way, so in one respect you are right in that he is out of his depth, something he admitted when he became chairman.

  So the fact he has stayed in a position for over a decade which he himself acknowledges he's unqualified for tells us what exactly?