The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Neiler]

Neil im not saying i was happy with the Johnson regime i wasnt in fact i was made up when kenwright took over. But now he's had his chance,yes on the pitch were are better and expectations have risen!
Off the pitch its one sham after another!The kings dock debarcle, The exclusivity bollox with D/K, the debt is increasing all the time, its only a matter of time before we implode with the current board!
Are you happy with the current running of the club?

Happy is the wrong word, but i am content - im always fascinaed that people want to protest for the board to leave - when this is exactley what they wan to do. They are right that any new owner has to be the right new owner, as it could go badly wrong and i think if they had the wrong intentions for the club we could have been sold to a Venky beards ago.

Im not a fan, of owners pumping private funds into a club - i would much rather grow the infrastructure and become self sustainable. I think the current board has hit the glass ceiling in this respect.

There is much i respect about the board. The club is in a far better/healtheir financail position then when they came into the club - this has enblaed them put money into the club and the ability to keep our best players bar one or two exception - of transfer requests etc. They fought hard last season to give our best players new and improved contracts when apart from Arteta the didnt have to, this gives me a sense of their commitment and intentions for the club. Which is why i trust them no tto sell us to a Venky.

I think they and i realise we have hit the glass ceiling in terms of how much we grom revenue without investment - not in players - but infrastructure. My one big criticism of the board is that they never got a stadium over the line, i was a fan of both and both would have seen us develop and grow.

In terms of private investment by the baord - well there are different types and not just throwing money at the club. Bill absorbed a lot the debt from his shareholding in to his own company Bill Kenwright ltd which cost him a few million, while i think many dont recognise that the summer we spent close to 25 mill on players was the year obesrt Earl came on board - not that he threw 25 mill in to the club - but whats not always known is that shareholders have given private gaurentees on Evertons debts should they be unable to pay - Robesrt Earl in that case.

Its not balck and white, they are netither good or bad its important to be objective in terms of the overall perforemnce. We have growen, we have improved under their stewardship as a club - they have been good for us. They have taken us as far as they can, everyone recognises that, they even do. They have made mistakes granted but they are far from the demons of all evil many would paint them as, in the main they have been very good for the club, certainly where we started from.

 

[BlackToffee]

well they are the only options available, without resorting to actually protesting. which some of our fans find offensive. if you have any solutions i would gladly take them on board.

I gave you my options about a direct seller for the club. An idea which you've dismissed out of hand.

I also said that I support the scarf protest to draw in those who are not au fait with board politics.

Other than that, the reality is that until a genuine buyer comes along, or unless the **** hits the fan after summer, which might increase those opposed to the board, we have custodians whom we really need to move on.

 

[Neiler]

We've overachieved on the field. Everyone knows it. We've been helped almost beyond comprehension by the stability at the club at both boardroom and in the last decade at managerial level.

However, that stability simply means we tread water. You're obviously satisfied with still being in the league, and anything else is a bonus. The problem is that is a devastatingly negative attitude to have towards the club, and it blinds you to the fact we're being run by a set of businessman who have invested nothing and gain to make millions from this club.

£5m net spending a year would satisfy me. I'm not asking for a Sheikh or a Russian oligarch. It isn't artificial inflation either by the way. Shareholders and directors are supposed to invest for a return on an asset. What we have at Everton is a bunch of men who already know they don't have to invest anything to make a return.

It's toxic long term and it's the reason we're still sat at a rundown stadium amongst other things.

Well mate thats a bit unfair on a personal level form Evertonian to Evertonian. I think you look at things very simplisticly, the choices for a club, any club is to a) Create artifical income more then you can generate, which means a club is relient on a drip feed by a private owner. b ) take on debt c )live within their means.

If its a choice yes i choose the later not due lack of ambition, but due to the fact that we need to work and act in a self sustainable model. Its the healtiest thing for the club. I return to my innital point that these other teams who directors invest in the team are they investing or just borrowing - that cant continue and we are already seeing the effects. Ive listed you teams above who have borrowed heavily to get ahead of us and havnt and yet you are trying to tell me that we need to follow this model for success? Infact all these clubs are in a sell to buy scenario now - their isnt a bit of difference between us and them, except they have blowen wads accumalted and larger debts then us.

 

[Tubey]

Not going to reply to the bulk of that as I'm getting in the bath - but I didn't mean it as an insult or as anything personal.

Although I will say that football clubs run by a combination of A, B and C, whilst Manchester City and Chelsea alone in England run pure A.

Everton lack A.

 

[bourneblue]

Are you seriously telling me the board haven't invested in youth ?
They have scoured the globe signing the best talent available,a lot of under 18 internationals have been signed, expanding the scouting network etc.
Finch farm I may add is not solely for the use of the academy,a moot point on your behalf.

 

[Tubey]

Are you seriously telling me the board haven't invested in youth ?
They have scoured the globe signing the best talent available,a lot of under 18 internationals have been signed, expanding the scouting network etc.
Finch farm I may add is not solely for the use of the academy,a moot point on your behalf.

They haven't done anything every other club in this league has done. Youth development and catchment is often about luck first and investment second - hence why we don't win the Youth Cup every year and pretty much no club does it twice on the bounce.

And youth investment means facilities, which is why I mentioned Finch Farm - the actual home of our youth academy. So hardly a moot point.

Everton beat the drum about investing in Finch Farm compared to Bellefield, but investment in Bellefield was virtually nil so it's not exactly a high starting point. We spend a correct amount of resources in developmental and training facilities; nothing more, nothing less.

Last thing on the board - in Kenwright's own words, he acknowledges that his "style" of football club ownership is unsustainable. That's straight from the horses mouth, and one of the few truthful things he's stated publicly in the last decade. That's because very few other top flight clubs operate with zero investment from an owner or the boardroom collectively. Those that operate that system, like Blackpool, don't stay around for long. Everton are the definitive "odd one out", and it's bound to collapse in on us some day unless Kenwright goes.

 

[sirblue57]

Ha ha apart from the footballing side of the football club were have we improved - Monty Python at its best. Fair play Moyes is ace in the transfer market, to be fair hes made and coached players, in fairness to the board they have rewarded those players and given them all long term contracts on big wages - when considering the lkength of the majority of them they didnt have to, to be able to that the revenue needs to be created and put back into the club.

Tell me mate where do you think the current board have failed in comparrison to the mighty Johnson Regime of 11 years ago.

are you for real? at least johnson had a shares issue to raise capital, and he was useless. this board took over a stagnant club, and did nothing, any improvement has been in spite of, not because of, this current bunch of custodians. all i want from them, is to do the task that EVERY other board does for their football club.
address issues regarding the ground, not done
find revenue streams to enhance the squad. not done
when an opportunity comes along for an iconic ground , take it. not done

in other words, be pro active, not self serving.

 

[Neiler]

They haven't done anything every other club in this league has done. Youth development and catchment is often about luck first and investment second - hence why we don't win the Youth Cup every year and pretty much no club does it twice on the bounce.

And youth investment means facilities, which is why I mentioned Finch Farm - the actual home of our youth academy. So hardly a moot point.

Everton beat the drum about investing in Finch Farm compared to Bellefield, but investment in Bellefield was virtually nil so it's not exactly a high starting point. We spend a correct amount of resources in developmental and training facilities; nothing more, nothing less.

Last thing on the board - in Kenwright's own words, he acknowledges that his "style" of football club ownership is unsustainable. That's straight from the horses mouth, and one of the few truthful things he's stated publicly in the last decade. That's because very few other top flight clubs operate with zero investment from an owner or the boardroom collectively. Those that operate that system, like Blackpool, don't stay around for long. Everton are the definitive "odd one out", and it's bound to collapse in on us some day unless Kenwright goes.

I dont beleive this if im honest, football is about to change in a big way with financial fair play, we need to live within our means its healthy for the club and it will suit the club in the changeing football enviroment. I accept and i think everyone includeing the board that we are tapped out in terms of growth with out new shareholders - a new ground is the only show in town for us in terms of growth.

If im being honest i think Everton are the pound for pound in terms of success the third best run club in the PL behind Arsenal and Spurs.

 

[sirblue57]

I gave you my options about a direct seller for the club. An idea which you've dismissed out of hand.

I also said that I support the scarf protest to draw in those who are not au fait with board politics.

Other than that, the reality is that until a genuine buyer comes along, or unless the **** hits the fan after summer, which might increase those opposed to the board, we have custodians whom we really need to move on.

i didn't dismiss it mate, i merely said that i would only accept it if the board done it independently and in full view of the fans. they have a habit of not being totally truthful on this subject, the scarf to me is flawed with the slogan, it will not appeal to a majority of fans, ergo, another division instead of bringing together.

 

[Neiler]

are you for real? at least johnson had a shares issue to raise capital, and he was useless. this board took over a stagnant club, and did nothing, any improvement has been in spite of, not because of, this current bunch of custodians. all i want from them, is to do the task that EVERY other board does for their football club.
address issues regarding the ground, not done
find revenue streams to enhance the squad. not done
when an opportunity comes along for an iconic ground , take it. not done

in other words, be pro active, not self serving.

Your not with a straight face, going to tell me in comparrison Johnsons regin was far healthier the current one, 20 mill of debt we still have was inhertied from that Ted. Your further going to tell me that we have a squad of 150 mill the stars of which are on long term well paid contracts signed before there were even due and the vlub has remained stagnent. Stagnent would have been fighting relegation every season selling Duncan Ferfuons and a squad with exciting names such as John Spencer, a turnover of 25 mill and a debt of 21mill. We have improved drasticly on and of the pitch in which the those two ellemnts have a direct collarlation.

Can you identify the all boards that put private funds, bar Chelsea and City in their clubs and who just dont take on debt. Can you then tell me how this strategy enabled these clubs to finish ahead of us this year.

I agree on the ground, massive oppurtuntes loast. As for revenue it has grown 300% over the course of this boards tenure. Borrowing or putting private funds into a club isnt sustainable nor is it healthy that my honest opinion. Living within your limits is.

I fail to understand any of of your points, you want to take action against the board to leave, they want out, you accuse them of not being ablse to progress the club, they admitt the same thing. We need to develop everyones agreed we have hit a glass ceiling, but our next step is an important one - any model needs to be sustainable and any investment needs to be with infrastructur in mind.

Your opinion i feel is two edefinite and predjuidiced your trying to create demons were there are none and thats wrong and not true. This board have done a lot of things right and they have done some things wrong they have progressed the club in 11 years - its important to praise and crituqe - there is plenty of both.

 

[sirblue57]

Happy is the wrong word, but i am content - im always fascinaed that people want to protest for the board to leave - when this is exactley what they wan to do. They are right that any new owner has to be the right new owner, as it could go badly wrong and i think if they had the wrong intentions for the club we could have been sold to a Venky beards ago.

Im not a fan, of owners pumping private funds into a club - i would much rather grow the infrastructure and become self sustainable. I think the current board has hit the glass ceiling in this respect.

There is much i respect about the board. The club is in a far better/healtheir financail position then when they came into the club - this has enblaed them put money into the club and the ability to keep our best players bar one or two exception - of transfer requests etc. They fought hard last season to give our best players new and improved contracts when apart from Arteta the didnt have to, this gives me a sense of their commitment and intentions for the club. Which is why i trust them no tto sell us to a Venky.

I think they and i realise we have hit the glass ceiling in terms of how much we grom revenue without investment - not in players - but infrastructure. My one big criticism of the board is that they never got a stadium over the line, i was a fan of both and both would have seen us develop and grow.

In terms of private investment by the baord - well there are different types and not just throwing money at the club. Bill absorbed a lot the debt from his shareholding in to his own company Bill Kenwright ltd which cost him a few million, while i think many dont recognise that the summer we spent close to 25 mill on players was the year obesrt Earl came on board - not that he threw 25 mill in to the club - but whats not always known is that shareholders have given private gaurentees on Evertons debts should they be unable to pay - Robesrt Earl in that case.

Its not balck and white, they are netither good or bad its important to be objective in terms of the overall perforemnce. We have growen, we have improved under their stewardship as a club - they have been good for us. They have taken us as far as they can, everyone recognises that, they even do. They have made mistakes granted but they are far from the demons of all evil many would paint them as, in the main they have been very good for the club, certainly where we started from.

two questions, do you believe we have been for sale "from day one"?
do you think this board are doing the task to the best of their ability?

 

[Chang Elephant]

Pro Kenwright arguments:

1) Sky generated turnover has increased since he took charge
2) We now lease our academy facility
3) Our directors have not invested any money into the club so our debts do not increase further
4) We have a functioning youth set up
5) Historic failures are in the past, we can only consider the current financial position

It's ****ing pitiful lads no matter how many paragraphs you waste. :toilet:

 

[Neiler]

two questions, do you believe we have been for sale "from day one"?
do you think this board are doing the task to the best of their ability?

Day 1 as in 2002, no? I think from 2008/2009 - yes! I beleive your being simplistic again here though, i beleive everton would have been sold beards ago only for the share issue.

The best of their ability, yes i do, i have criticisms of the board and to be honest i think you guys are barking up a number of wrong trees - but do i think they are intentionaly harming Everton or just cant be arsed, no!

 

[bourneblue]

Never have i seen an influx of both foreign and British youth talent assembled at Everton in my 40 years of following the club.
Yet you seem oblivious to this ,passing it off as 'what every other club does'.
Ok I grant you it is a gamble as not all of them will make it,but it is a clear indication of Everton investing in youth.
Your intransigence with Bill Kenwright and the board is clouding your vision.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Bill absorbed a lot the debt from his shareholding in to his own company Bill Kenwright ltd which cost him a few million.

Good of him to pay for the shares that he has private ownership of. Well done Bill, and thanks for securing the sky tv deal.