The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Woolly Blue]

OOC covers a whole multitude of things.

Examples :-

Policing costs were ~600k a few seasons ago

Player insurance is likely to be a seven figure sum. See
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...rotection-through-new-player-insurance-produc

Things like electicity costs aren't cheap. There's info on the web about how Everton have saved money on electrics. Some of it is simple things like moving to LED, some of it is more complicated. See http://www.tridentutilities.co.uk/media/2417/procurement_-_everton.pdf. This says we're saving ~1.5 million kwH / year. I don't know what the cost of leccy is for a business, but it's about 10p / KWh for consumers, so, for you and me that would be savings of 150k per year. If that's right then you'd guess that electticity is costing > 500k / year.

In previous years ground maintenace has been carried out at a cost of ~ 1 million

Finch Farm and other leases mount up to a 1 million plus

For background info on what goes on behind the scenes take a look at http://www.facilitiesshow.com/files/richard_cairns.pdf

I could go on ...

The sad thing is that the club don't pull all that info together to show where the money goes. If they did, it'd save a lot of arguments about what is really a side issue. The major issue is whether or not the BoD repeat previous mistakes on a new stadium and whether they can get their commerical act together and generate more non-TV revenue

 

[D410]

Im pretty sure it wont either, in fact i'm fairly certain! Kinda leaves you a tad uneasy!

Uneasy, Why? Strong Opinions on Football forums. I am sure KEIOC are open to debate from any everton fans about their views and articles published on their web site. KEIOC never struck me as a group who have taken measures against fellow blue noses becuase they have differnet views. In their defence not many run circles around them.

 

[magicjuan]

Ethicaly regardles of the Kirkby move and your thoughts around it, KEIOC are far from a good fan advocacy group:

- They posted videos of Evertonian hooligans engaged in mass violence to others and also the community for the benifit of Kirkby residents.
- There legal challenge cost the club the guts on 10 - 15 mill.
- They morphed into the BU and i would seriously question the ethics in and around some of their actions - that interview - the validity of some of their articles praticularly their comments on commerical deals.
- I dont think they have the courage of their convictions, why engage in marches etc when the team is doing poorly - kicking the team/club when they are down - yet give them up when the team is doing well - surely if they are protesting at the behind the scenes administration this should be continuous, rather then selective.

I could go on, but to summerise think very very carefully about your own integrity, values as an Evertonian and analyse their behaviour and morality around it before recognising KEOIC/BU as a beacon of hope.

To qualify, i would be fully in favour of a proper fan advocacy group, once they were ethical and moral - the above are not!

I too would like to see ethics and morality. From a board that says one thing and does another.
From a board that cannot manage it's business properly.
From a board that, as is testament by this very thread, has split a once very solid fan base by not having an understanding of the same fan base/clientele in pursuit of plans and schemes that have been managed incompetently to say the least.
From a board that presents a politburo approach to communications.
From a board that has a business model (sic) dependent upon luck rather than acumen
Finally, but not ultimately, from a board that took the values, history, heritage and identity of this football club, disregarded legality with lies, untruths, half truths and proceeded with a doomed plan to take us to a cocky watchman's hut in the corner of a supermarket car park, complete with bat-lights.

KEIOC gave up their own time and resources to take on a premier league football club, a local authority, albeit a rotten borough, and the country's biggest retailer, supported by local media, who then still managed to lose their case to a bunch of drunken knobh*ad Evertonians.

Should be a plaque to them at Goodison to be honest.

 

[blueblue]

I don't think KEIOC had the support of the fanbase. If they had they would be still there today.
If things within the club were as rotten and corrupt as some would like us to believe then I doubt that the club
could be in the upper echelons of the premiership.
It doesn't suit the agenda of some people, but basically the club is solidly run, while at the same time lacking
imagination in certain areas of promotion and development.

I think that "Neilers" summary is close to the feelings of the majority of fans.

 

[D410]

The sad thing is that the club don't pull all that info together to show where the money goes. If they did, it'd save a lot of arguments about what is really a side issue. The major issue is whether or not the BoD repeat previous mistakes on a new stadium and whether they can get their commerical act together and generate more non-TV revenue

Agreed. Someone wrote the other day that the legacey of the club will be selling to the right buyer - some legacey after 15 years eh.

The best thing that will happen after the BoD have gone will be for the fans to unite again behind a new owner and hopefully see silverware held by the team on the pitch.

 

[magicjuan]

I don't think KEIOC had the support of the fanbase. If they had they would be still there today.
If things within the club were as rotten and corrupt as some would like us to believe then I doubt that the club
could be in the upper echelons of the premiership.
It doesn't suit the agenda of some people, but basically the club is solidly run, while at the same time lacking
imagination in certain areas of promotion and development.

I think that "Neilers" summary is close to the feelings of the majority of fans.

KEIOC did their job, it is evident in their name.
All depends on the definition of 'corrupt' & 'rotten', corrupt is probably harder to evidence but not rotten, by definition the management of the club is beyond poor in terms of business. So, solidly run needs defining too, gauged by the aspirations of the supporters, who are in reality the club itself.
Have their expectations been played upon since the near relegation misses so as to expect less and tolerate more? Has 'hope' been pushed and dashed on many occasions by the sale of players to sustain an, as a CEO once said, an unsustainable model? Has the same level of expectation been lowered to match the ambitions and competence of the board?

Lacking imagination is really the least of our worries.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Please do go on about your thoughts on KEIOC. I am sure it won,t go unnoticed.

Erm, excuse me?

 

[nsno-chris]

OOC covers a whole multitude of things.

Examples :-

Policing costs were ~600k a few seasons ago

Player insurance is likely to be a seven figure sum. See
http://www.insideworldfootball.com/...rotection-through-new-player-insurance-produc

Things like electicity costs aren't cheap. There's info on the web about how Everton have saved money on electrics. Some of it is simple things like moving to LED, some of it is more complicated. See http://www.tridentutilities.co.uk/media/2417/procurement_-_everton.pdf. This says we're saving ~1.5 million kwH / year. I don't know what the cost of leccy is for a business, but it's about 10p / KWh for consumers, so, for you and me that would be savings of 150k per year. If that's right then you'd guess that electticity is costing > 500k / year.

In previous years ground maintenace has been carried out at a cost of ~ 1 million

Finch Farm and other leases mount up to a 1 million plus

For background info on what goes on behind the scenes take a look at http://www.facilitiesshow.com/files/richard_cairns.pdf

I could go on ...

The sad thing is that the club don't pull all that info together to show where the money goes. If they did, it'd save a lot of arguments about what is really a side issue. The major issue is whether or not the BoD repeat previous mistakes on a new stadium and whether they can get their commerical act together and generate more non-TV revenue

The majority of people will ignore this post because the OOC is like a baton that can be used in arguments. The majority of clubs don't even publish the OOC as its a non-starter and pointless, but Everton have. To report on a full break down will be pointless and i'm sure something the Auditors would not be impressed with, its time consuming with no relevance, apart to a handful of fans who have held onto this and will not let it go.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The majority of people will ignore this post because the OOC is like a baton that can be used in arguments. The majority of clubs don't even publish the OOC as its a non-starter and pointless, but Everton have. To report on a full break down will be pointless and i'm sure something the Auditors would not be impressed with, its time consuming with no relevance, apart to a handful of fans who have held onto this and will not let it go.

Indeed. If there is a mere glimmer of an unknown, some will take that uncertainty and think the worst.

 

[Woolly Blue]

The majority of people will ignore this post because the OOC is like a baton that can be used in arguments. The majority of clubs don't even publish the OOC as its a non-starter and pointless, but Everton have. To report on a full break down will be pointless and i'm sure something the Auditors would not be impressed with, its time consuming with no relevance, apart to a handful of fans who have held onto this and will not let it go.

Actually mate, they do. If you see "admin costs" or "other operating costs" in a set of accounts they mean much the same. ( An accountant would probably disagree with that statement, but it's broadly right ).

 

[canuckblue]

We also pay 96k on Office supplies?

SOMEBODY IS STEALING PENS

Liverpool seem to be able to steal 'em by the dozen....

 

[davek]

The majority of people will ignore this post because the OOC is like a baton that can be used in arguments. The majority of clubs don't even publish the OOC as its a non-starter and pointless, but Everton have. To report on a full break down will be pointless and i'm sure something the Auditors would not be impressed with, its time consuming with no relevance, apart to a handful of fans who have held onto this and will not let it go.

There's a massive amount of money coming into this club via a range of revenue streams but mostly through tv cash, gate receipts and player sales. The club has had a very poor record in backing managers in the transfer market and fans are rightly scratching their heads wondering where exactly all that money goes...made more frustrating when the owners of the club have been here for almost 15 years and have contributed from their own pockets zero investment toward anything. In that environment it is completely understandable that fans should demand and get a full audit of costs. The 'unimpressed' auditors can go and boil their heads, by the way. They're just bean counting monkeys who do what their told regarding what nth degree they break things down to.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

There's a massive amount of money coming into this club via a range of revenue streams but mostly through tv cash, gate receipts and player sales. The club has had a very poor record in backing managers in the transfer market and fans are rightly scratching their heads wondering where exactly all that money goes...made more frustrating when the owners of the club have been here for almost 15 years and have contributed from their own pockets zero investment toward anything. In that environment it is completely understandable that fans should demand and get a full audit of costs. The 'unimpressed' auditors can go and boil their heads, by the way. They're just bean counting monkeys who do what their told regarding what nth degree they break things down to.

Dave, have player wages gone up in the last 15 years? To what proportion have wages risen as a percentage of total income during that time?

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Indeed. If there is a mere glimmer of an unknown, some will take that uncertainty and think the worst.

Yes but your missing the point here....

Some re talking about, City, UTD, RS, Chelsea an OOC's..

The difference is, they spend millions an millions on players..

Our money gos into a black hole. Do you think OOCs would be an issue if we at least spent the money we made on selling players, let alone money coming into the club.

I think to many people are missing the point. We're going back an forth about stuff none of us can really prove.

But where is the money going? Look at our net spend over 10 years. That's why the OOcs are so important.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Also, from what I've been told. The Shaun Maloney deal really does have legs.

So we're shopping in pound land again..

Frightening, absolutely frightening...