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Jacko93 said:
Sorry, move that defender forwards.

You suggested playing wingbacks.

....................................Beto

.......Ndiaye ..........Lindstrom........Young

Mykolenko .......................................... Gueye

................................Mangala

..........Tarkowski .......Keane ...........Patterson




Can you not see how open we are to any counter at all in this set-up? By bringing on Branthwaite to deal with any pacey counters he has closed a hole and allowed us to push up more. Young was occupying more forward spaces anyway as we pushed for the equaliser. Amd I'm not sure what you've seen of Lindstrom yet (I've seen absolutely nothing of him beyong what he's done in an Everton shirt) but I don't see him having the work rate to add any strength into what would be a faily open midfield area, one that we'd not really had control of all game.

We are just going to fundamentally disagree on this, and that's cool. Would I normally condone moving a CH into a striking role? Not at all, but I can see why he made the decision he did, when he did, so I find it difficult to berate him to hard on this occasion.

Had he taken McNiel off and moved Keane forward as an unforced change, regardless of whether it paid off or not, I'd be questioning it as well.
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That’s not the formation I suggested at all.

Pickford

Keane Tarkowski Branthwaite

Patterson Mangala Gueye Mykolenko

Lindstrom Beto Ndiaye

The front 3 are a proper front 3 in this setup and Ndiaye isn’t playing as an auxiliary full back, which by default makes us more attacking. Patterson opens the pitch up and allows us to have width on both sides. Mykolenko as a wing back isn’t ideal obviously. But Mangala and Gueye in midfield means we are secure and not susceptible to counters. There were alternatives available to the manager that weren’t throwing the big centre back up front and looking like a pub side, is all I’m saying.

It is however, a non starter as he’s decided he doesn’t like Patterson on a personal level so therefore will throw centre backs up front rather than bring him on. I have no doubt he’d play someone like Harrison at right back before he started Patterson. He’s like a stubborn stroppy teenager holding a petty grudge really.
 
We actually carried out a poll in the flat and the cat ended up as "greatest fan".
He wasn't 100% though.
He's not been the same since we got him done.
Keeps looking at me resentfully.
Well, you would I suppose.
 
MikeH72 said:
That’s not the formation I suggested at all.

Pickford

Keane Tarkowski Branthwaite

Patterson Mangala Gueye Mykolenko

Lindstrom Beto Ndiaye

The front 3 are a proper front 3 in this setup and Ndiaye isn’t playing as an auxiliary full back, which by default makes us more attacking. Patterson opens the pitch up and allows us to have width on both sides. Mykolenko as a wing back isn’t ideal obviously. But Mangala and Gueye in midfield means we are secure and not susceptible to counters. There were alternatives available to the manager that weren’t throwing the big centre back up front and looking like a pub side, is all I’m saying.

It is however, a non starter as he’s decided he doesn’t like Patterson on a personal level so therefore will throw centre backs up front rather than bring him on. I have no doubt he’d play someone like Harrison at right back before he started Patterson. He’s like a stubborn stroppy teenager holding a petty grudge really.
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Myko got plenty goals/assists at his former club. Could be suggested the way we currently play doesn’t suit him. A different style/tactics and it could be ideal.

27 goals/assists in 132 games at previous club.
 
Marius57 said:
Myko got plenty goals/assists at his former club. Could be suggested the way we currently play doesn’t suit him. A different style/tactics and it could be ideal.

27 goals/assists in 132 games at previous club.
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Yeah, and Kris Boyd scored 428 goals in the Scottish Prem. Went to the Championship and managed 12 goals in 37 appearances. Not terrible granted but it shows the step up just to the Championship. Myko is an average to decent prem full back. I'm sure he was amazing in the ukranian league.
 
Marius57 said:
Myko got plenty goals/assists at his former club. Could be suggested the way we currently play doesn’t suit him. A different style/tactics and it could be ideal.

27 goals/assists in 132 games at previous club.
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He just doesn't really pass the eye test as a good attacking fullback though. He's not completely incapable of ever putting a decent ball or anything but he's never turning into a genuinely good attacking option, I don't think it's particularly difficult to tell that from watching him to be honest. I don't watch a lot of Ukrainian football but if he was putting up good numbers there I would assume it had a lot to do with the team he played for being a lot better than most of their opposition rather than because he was a really good attacking full back.
 

Lanolin said:
He just doesn't really pass the eye test as a good attacking fullback though. He's not completely incapable of ever putting a decent ball or anything but he's never turning into a genuinely good attacking option, I don't think it's particularly difficult to tell that from watching him to be honest. I don't watch a lot of Ukrainian football but if he was putting up good numbers there I would assume it had a lot to do with the team he played for being a lot better than most of their opposition rather than because he was a really good attacking full back.
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Based on our current setup which expects fullbacks to stay deep and narrow. He used to overlap a lot more in the early months with us (when he had gray ahead of him) but Gray very rarely looked for him, but gray very rarely looked for anyone else.
 
Marius57 said:
Based on our current setup which expects fullbacks to stay deep and narrow. He used to overlap a lot more in the early months with us (when he had gray ahead of him) but Gray very rarely looked for him, but gray very rarely looked for anyone else.
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No that's what I mean really, he just doesn't look like a player who is good going forward. Some players you look at and it's clear that there's more to them than they're showing in a particular set up, I just don't see that with him at all. Like I said, I don't mean he couldn't be marginally more effective going forward if we played a different way but I feel like i've seen enough of him over the last 3 years to be confident that there isn't a genuinely dangerous attacker in there desperate to get out, I think he's just a very average player all round.
 
Lanolin said:
No that's what I mean really, he just doesn't look like a player who is good going forward. Some players you look at and it's clear that there's more to them than they're showing in a particular set up, I just don't see that with him at all. Like I said, I don't mean he couldn't be marginally more effective going forward if we played a different way but I feel like i've seen enough of him over the last 3 years to be confident that there isn't a genuinely dangerous attacker in there desperate to get out, I think he's just a very average player all round.
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Think I’d rather just give him the benefit of the doubt based on his previous record alongside the appalling brand of football we have been playing for the last few years.
 


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