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The Friedkin Group reaches agreement to buy Everton

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No, he found someone desperate who could have ruined the club completely. I don't think he should get any credit for that, even if it had worked out. In fact, just the opposite.

Giving him any sort of credit is just rationalizing after the fact.

Id be far from giving him credit - but he got the right side of the negotiation, his motivation was his self interest - im not saying otherwise and he was happy to sell us to 777 - i also haven't suggested otherwise. But that deal he negotiated in turn has influenced protecting both his position and us - even if after the fact and a potential positive outcome for the club and been influential with what happening presently at the club and helping get the stadium done- which was the core point being debated.

I think we are overall agreeing on the same thing.
 
Just read somewhere that Everton managed to bring the amount owed to 777 down significantly? Any idea if this is true and secondly what are the figures and how did they do it?
 
Just read somewhere that Everton managed to bring the amount owed to 777 down significantly? Any idea if this is true and secondly what are the figures and how did they do it?
It would have been a negotiation along the lines of if they had borrowed $200m Everton would have told the creditors you can have $100m now and call it quits or we will return the $200m a a dollar a month until the next millennia
 
Just read somewhere that Everton managed to bring the amount owed to 777 down significantly? Any idea if this is true and secondly what are the figures and how did they do it?

its been said online (not sure if accurate or how clued up the people saying it are) but basically ACAP (the hedge fund whose money 777 where throwing round) or whoever is willing to accept £66m as full settlement as they know they wont get the £200m back ever if they stick to it
 
its been said online (not sure if accurate or how clued up the people saying it are) but basically ACAP (the hedge fund whose money 777 where throwing round) or whoever is willing to accept £66m as full settlement as they know they wont get the £200m back ever if they stick to it
£66m isn't the full settlement. There are, allegedly, other aspects to the agreed deal which include a future 10% stake in the club.

They have the potential to get back all of their money (possibly more) but not for at least 7 years.
 

Id be far from giving him credit - but he got the right side of the negotiation, his motivation was his self interest - im not saying otherwise and he was happy to sell us to 777 - i also haven't suggested otherwise. But that deal he negotiated in turn has influenced protecting both his position and us - even if after the fact and a potential positive outcome for the club and been influential with what happening presently at the club and helping get the stadium done- which was the core point being debated.

I think we are overall agreeing on the same thing.

Moshiri has given up @Neiler. He ran out of time, all due to more liabilities appearing. He was a "distressed seller" (q.v. Aliya Capital). Moshiri deserves no credit whatsoever.

He managed to turn a £505 million "fixed cost" (thanks to Denise Barrett-Baxendale, remember that?) project into one that has cost what £860 million PLUS. He ran out of money, tried to bring 777 Partners in (look what happened there) and then essentially wanted rid ASAP. They tried the manipulation lark but failed during the last 6 months as Friedkin Group are not daft. I'm sorry @Neiler, but Moshiri has done NOTHING that has "protected" Everton. He's writing off debts because it suits him to cut his losses and walk away. Nothing more.

I always try and be fair but I'm sorry, no. There is nothing at all positive to say about Moshiri. People pushing that narrative that he's done something clever (like CitizenofSuburbia) are not in the real world.

Just read somewhere that Everton managed to bring the amount owed to 777 down significantly? Any idea if this is true and secondly what are the figures and how did they do it?
It would have been a negotiation along the lines of if they had borrowed $200m Everton would have told the creditors you can have $100m now and call it quits or we will return the $200m a a dollar a month until the next millennia
its been said online (not sure if accurate or how clued up the people saying it are) but basically ACAP (the hedge fund whose money 777 where throwing round) or whoever is willing to accept £66m as full settlement as they know they wont get the £200m back ever if they stick to it

As @AndyRJ says below. They're giving about 33%-40% cash up front with notes for majority % remainder of the loan value + warrants that allows ACAP OR LEADENHALL depending on the court case outcome to take a 10% total equity stake in the club. That I'm led to believe like @AndyRJ is the total stake (that does not require Premier League approval) (it'll be limited to something like 9.99% equity since then it's less than 10% and not subject to Premier League approving, which if ACAP are found guilty of fraud in US court, would not be approved).

£66m isn't the full settlement. There are, allegedly, other aspects to the agreed deal which include a future 10% stake in the club.

They have the potential to get back all of their money (possibly more) but not for at least 7 years.

Spot on, and my understanding too. ACAP or LEADENHALL have a potential to get possibly MORE than the value of their £200 million loan, depending upon the success of Everton Football Club and it's share value. So, it's like a promise of some cash now, and a very large amount of cash later ... (but with provisos)

which is better for them than small cash now.

Friedkins doing it this way as it allows them to keep Cash/Capital in the business, and it is contingent return for ACAP or Leadenhall. If the club is successful. It gives ACAP something they may not have got hence "win-win"
 
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Spot on, and my understanding too. ACAP or LEADENHALL have a potential to get possibly MORE than the value of their £200 million loan, depending upon the success of Everton Football Club and it's share value. So, it's like a promise of some cash now, and a very large amount of cash later ... (but with provisos)

which is better for them than small cash now.

Friedkins doing it this way as it allows them to keep Cash/Capital in the business, and it is contingent return for ACAP or Leadenhall. If the club is successful. It gives ACAP something they may not have got hence "win-win"
It's still a loss. The club would need to be worth 1.34 billion for them to get their nominal investment back, discounting that over 7 years they are still taking a haircut.

But King needs cash now to pay off GD Luma so he's desperate.
 
It's still a loss. The club would need to be worth 1.34 billion for them to get their nominal investment back, discounting that over 7 years they are still taking a haircut.

But King needs cash now to pay off GD Luma so he's desperate.

I agree. But there is nothing to stop Everton being worth £1 billion possibly £2 billion in value in 7 years time. It has been criminally mismanaged as a business. Which is why Friedkins are interested now as there is significant asset growth potential.
 
Im curious, where does this number come from? I have not seen it before.

It was according to Moshiri £760 million January 2023 (Moshiri in an interview with TalkSport, January 2023 - as reported by Liverpool ECHO and elsewhere see link below) and since then EFC have needed at least another £100 million in financing (Colin Chong EFCSA meeting minutes Dec 2023)


As I've said before Friedkin Group put yet another £60 million for the stadium only via "operation and stadium funding", so I'd estimate that it's £940 million to get the thing finished. But this is yet to be confirmed by Friedkin Group fully. However, to stop people objecting to this I stated £860 million plus because we will get the final figure in coming months.
 

I agree. But there is nothing to stop Everton being worth £1 billion possibly £2 billion in value in 7 years time. It has been criminally mismanaged as a business. Which is why Friedkins are interested now as there is significant asset growth potential.

Sure, but even if it is, 134 million in 2031 is not worth 134 million in 2024, it's less. S&P average returns are around 8%, discounted to 2024 that's only 78 million. And that's only if the club is worth 1.34 billion in 2031 and 8% is a very conservative discount rate for a private investment.
 
Sure, but even if it is, 134 million in 2031 is not worth 134 million in 2024, it's less. S&P average returns are around 8%, discounted to 2024 that's only 78 million. And that's only if the club is worth 1.34 billion in 2031 and 8% is a very conservative discount rate for a private investment.

Agreed. It's a highly contingent return. I'm not going to undersell the figure because I want Friedkin Group to take the club over without having to pay out unnecessary capital now.
 
He was financially involved within a another party and abused the trust of (some Evertonians) to rubbish any other news stories.

The man is a crook and only had his own interests at heart
As far im aware no laws were broken, so i have no particular axe to grind. Business practices are particularly harsh and hard nosed. Its why i chose a career in social care sector.
 
It was according to Moshiri £760 million January 2023 (Moshiri in an interview with TalkSport, January 2023 - as reported by Liverpool ECHO and elsewhere see link below) and since then EFC have needed at least another £100 million in financing (Colin Chong EFCSA meeting minutes Dec 2023)


As I've said before Friedkin Group put yet another £60 million for the stadium only via "operation and stadium funding", so I'd estimate that it's £940 million to get the thing finished. But this is yet to be confirmed by Friedkin Group fully. However, to stop people objecting to this I stated £860 million plus because we will get the final figure in coming months.
Not that I think Moshiri cant be trusted(just kidding), but I would suggest a one-off comment is not much compared to official statements and records. The article says in response to that:

"Club sources claim that the figure Moshiri quoted is inclusive of every facet of the stadium, from design and planning to construction and even including the potential for further ancillary developments related to the stadium...Club sources also state the the cost of construction has not changed and that the contract signed last year with construction firm Laing O'Rourke, who have been tasked with the build, has not altered and the cost certainty over the project remains as it did."

That seems to clearly say the LOR cost stayed at 505m. The meeting minutes says "Colin confirmed that the funding is there to complete the ground and that there was less than £100m left to fund". He's just saying what portion of the contract is left to fund. We certainly didnt pay them 505m when we signed the contract.
 

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