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The Friedkin Group reaches agreement to buy Everton

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Kevsleftpeg said:
I've seen the Moyes teams struggle against lower league opposition. We had relegation form at the end of Ancellotti, under Benitez, under Lampard and now under Dyche. The squad is awful. Bournemouth didn't play us off the park at any stage. We absolutely dominated that game and fell apart in the last 10 minutes.
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They did last season and generally they play much better football then us and wont be in a relegation battle this season. So how is that?

Relegation form at the end of Ancelottis season??? What?

In his last 10 games in charge he won 3, lost 3 and drew 4. Over the course of a season that works out at 50pts. Thats not relegation form. It was a dip in the form we were used to but not relegation level.

So basically what happened is we had a boss manager and he did well with us. Then we got 3 crap managers in and we did crap...just like i said
 

Blue peter said:
To be fair, Pep started at Barcelona as he’d done well with the Youth set up which by the way included Xavi, Messi and Iniesta. He at that time hardly had to work his way up the food chain to get to where he was - once he finished there, he went to Bayern and then City.
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Yes but he had to show that he had the ability to manage players and to make teams tick, I can’t believe I am debating that the only difference between Sean Dyche and Pep Guardiola is that Pep had better players.
 
Bluewolf said:
They did last season and generally they play much better football then us and wont be in a relegation battle this season. So how is that?

Relegation form at the end of Ancelottis season??? What?

In his last 10 games in charge he won 3, lost 3 and drew 4. Over the course of a season that works out at 50pts. Thats not relegation form. It was a dip in the form we were used to but not relegation level.

So basically what happened is we had a boss manager and he did well with us. Then we got 3 crap managers in and we did crap...just like i said
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😂 Dyche had 48 points last year. So 2 less than Carlo's performance in the second half of his season (don't forget that Carlo also had Digne, Mina, a younger Coleman, Allen, James, Delph, Iwobi and Richarlison - in short a far superior squad). In Carlo's last 12 games. Carlo had 10 points from his last 12 games which would put us in a relegation battle which ever way you dress it up. It's the players. A new manager isn't going to transform Keane, Myko, Young, Doucs and Harrison into footballers or make DCL able to finish 1 on 1s.
 
Kevsleftpeg said:
😂 Dyche had 48 points last year. So 2 less than Carlo's performance in the second half of his season (don't forget that Carlo also had Digne, Mina, a younger Coleman, Allen, James, Delph, Iwobi and Richarlison - in short a far superior squad). In Carlo's last 12 games. Carlo had 10 points from his last 12 games which would put us in a relegation battle which ever way you dress it up. It's the players. A new manager isn't going to transform Keane, Myko, Young, Doucs and Harrison into footballers or make DCL able to finish 1 on 1s.
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A new manager will transform all of these players out of the team.
 
Caolam said:
Yes but he had to show that he had the ability to manage players and to make teams tick, I can’t believe I am debating that the only difference between Sean Dyche and Pep Guardiola is that Pep had better players.
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I’m not debating that - of course pep is far better than Dyche. I was challenging your point that Pep had to prove himself in the same way a Dyche has. Dyche is not good enough for us - but he had a far tougher and less protected career path than Pep who was already at a huge club and did well with a youth or B team set up that boasted players that would go on the become some of the finest players to ever play the game including possibly the greatest player of all time.
 

Blue peter said:
I’m not debating that - of course pep is far better than Dyche. I was challenging your point that Pep had to prove himself in the same way a Dyche has. Dyche is not good enough for us - but he had a far tougher and less protected career path than Pep who was already at a huge club and did well with a youth or B team set up that boasted players that would go on the become some of the finest players to ever play the game including possibly the greatest player of all time.
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But you assume that managers like SD and PG only start to become managers at a point in time when they have stopped playing, this isn’t the case. People who have the qualities (and I included SD in that category) exhibit these qualities at all times. PG was picked out as a top class manager as he went through his playing days. I have little doubt that PG exhibited his ability to man manage, his understanding of the game and how it should be played and his strength of character when he was a senior pro, as I have little doubt that SD exhibited his strength of character as a senior pro.
To me the difference between a really top class manager is someone who has the ability to access the players he has at his disposal and develop a system that gets the best out of them and once he has that the ability to recognise what new players or tweaks he needs to improve, a poor manager has a style of play that he imposes on the players he has no matter their abilities to play such a system. I think we all know which one we have and which one City have.
 

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