The Moyes Era

[Summerskin]

Moyes is still doing a decent job at Everton considering the budget and limitations he has at the club. .

My basic argument is this.

He had the same budget limitations 5 years ago and yet we saw an invigorated manager who got the best out of a solid group of lads.

I don't see that drive, passion or ambition from Everton these days, and the buck stops with the manager.

Time to move on, take your knife to a gunfight elsewhere and give us back our £3m a year whilst you're at it.

 

[andym78]

I became a follower of the blues under the rule of Moyes. (I'm only 20 ffs) To be honest it has been a rollercoaster ride, but many memorable experiences. Anyway whenever I see the elder crowd post about past managers they usually summarize their era in an sentence. Such as the "There was a great squad during the kendall years" etc...

what can you say about the Moyes era?

"**** off, Moyes"
"during the Moyes era, it was build up but no end result"

anyone?

I can sum it up in 3 words:

Sh1t until christmas

 

[Arteta2391]

It looks like to me that the Moyes Era is hot and cold. I agree with all the posts about Everton becoming stale recently. I just don't understand the part where we either lose or tie to lower tier clubs such as wigan, WBA, QPR. Those should be games where we should dominate.

 

[Summerskin]

It looks like to me that the Moyes Era is hot and cold. I agree with all the posts about Everton becoming stale recently. I just don't understand the part where we either lose or tie to lower tier clubs such as wigan, WBA, QPR. Those should be games where we should dominate.

We don't win games when we're favourites.

The Motif for this past decade has been "out of adversity comes the odd bit O'Triumph".

 

[Extratime]

Moyes has done a very good job. For every point their is a counter point here though as people think they know how to manage a team better then Moyes does. Fact is Everton has been skint for years. Let's mention the money for Lescott, OK well investment of that money was a "bust." Oh wait, this never happens to other teams! <---SARCASM. The only bust was Bily. Heitinga and Distin have done well for us. Also, not for nothing but investment does not always work out. Moyes' track record of bringing in solid players at cut rate prices is well known and look at our lineup and what he got many of these players for.

I will state what I have done in the past. If not Moyes then who? Who is going to get us as far as Moyes has with the lack of funds eh? Give me a real name, not some Fantasy League prospect? Someone who would actually want to deal with this board and deal with the lack of investment. Going back to the Lescott money don't forget Elstone's lie of "8m plus the Lescott money." That was set straight later by Moyes when he said "Do the math Heitinga, Distin, and Bily is around 19m. The money we got for Lescott after dealing with the Wolves portion of the contract was 19m."

 

[McBain]

The Skin's having a full on fume here.

Is the average league position of 8th worth the style of play,surrender monkey antics and sheer hopelessness that surrounds Moyes and this Everton worth it.

I'm sure 'surrender monkey tactics' get dusted off now and again hahaha.

 

[njligernj]

Looking further into it it looks like Stoke have spent a fair bit more than I realised!

Yup. Facts can ruin a good moan. Fair enough though we're Everton fans so it stands to reason we know about our club and not as much about others. However some other teams are spending a lot of money (in no small part however because they start off with lower wages because they haven't been trying to fight the same battles as we have). Also we might watch MOTD and see some highlights (or see the press clippings) and think other teams are playing open attacking football. But those teams are mostly behind us in the league every single year (including this one). Every year it's "we're going to be overtaken" -- aside from Spurs, who spent a LOT, and City, who spent two or three LOTS, none of them have (it's a tad early to crown Newcastle -- we know how hard it can be to follow up on a high finish).

Nobody has overtaken us with pure managerial acumen (while spending the same as we have). Matter of fact, aside from a one off Cup (which can really come down to the luck of the draw -- some teams get to play Championship teams in the final) there is no manager who has had a near zero net spend and succeeded. Arsenal and Chelsea struggle to keep pace and they have spent hundreds of millions more than we have on players and wages.

A few people here went on a Swansea kick -- they have the same exact goals scored tally as we do (and we have a game in hand). Sit down and watch these other clubs; go to their message boards ... they're all having a moan and trying desperately to come up with some excuse they feel the club can control (let's get rid of this one player, let's buy this one player, let's sack out manager, let's get this manager) rather than the real reason for their moaning which they can't control (money).

Fact is almost all managers are failures who get the sack. Whomever manages this club after Moyes is likely to be sacked within 2-3 years (because that's what happens with most clubs). Oh and P.S. .... Bill Kenwright will make the decision on our next manager. If I meet someone who won the lottery I don't have faith they will win the next time they buy a ticket.

 

[Kurt.]

I can't honestly see why people have a problem with Moyes.

 

[micknick]

Im not buying this no money myth, he's had money, maybe not quite the silly amounts other clubs have but we've had money. 15m for Fellaini and 10m for Bily for example, teams like Stoke haven't spent much more than us, and this season look at the likes of Swansea and Norwich and their spending. I know its a big difference doing well over 10 years compared to just 1 but Norwich have essentially transformed from a League One side to Premier League in 2 seasons, and Swansea where in Division 3 (now League 2) when Moyes took over

Seriously....

Where did the money he had to spend come from?! He generated it through player sales. £24m on Lescott- a profit of £19m on a centre back helped fund Bilya

 

[Summerskin]

I can't honestly see why people have a problem with Moyes.

You must have seen the Smith days as half decent then...

Higher your expectations people, we live in a world where one man can take 1000 Jews from a death camp to safety in 180 minutes of blissful cinema...we're Everton FFS.

 

[scam]

No one here (in their right mind) thinks we'll get anywhere close to fourth without spending a sh*t tonne...the league is bought, without question.

The constant bottling out of TWO cup competitions every year against sh*te like our current neighbours, Tranmere, Reading, Shrewsbury, Birmingham etc is not good enough for a man who "wants to bring the success of the 80's" back to Goodison.

Doesn't take £100m net spend a year to win the odd cup and restore a sense of winning; Cardiff, Millwall, Boro, Wigan, Fulham & Portsmouth have all come closer to winning a trophy than we have in the last decade, and who the [Poor language removed] are they?

He's the shrewdest businessman around and a great man manager but he's also a bottler, a weak tactician with a penchant for his underperforming favourites and a loser...his track record of a lower league title and an F.A Cup runners up medal will tell you that, and that is a faccchtt.

Not to mention the f*cking awful football.

I couldn't have said what you have. It's too cruel, when you think that Moyes has given ten of the best years of his life to Everton. His loyalty to the club and supporters and his passion and desire, work ethic. All are without equal.
Unfortunately, all that aside, I have to agree with every word you say. You summed it up for me. None of what you say is wrong. I just couldn't be the one to say it.

 

[Philw]

"I understand that almost all managers fail. Our current manager has been more successful than average given our net spend. Statistically speaking if we fire our current manager and replace him the most likely outcome is the new manager will fail and be fired within 2-4 years. I realize that Bill Kenwright, a person most of wouldn't trust to make us a sandwich with no filling, will be the person choosing the new manager. I realize there is a chance we will get relegated. However I am so sure Moyes is the wrong person that I am willing to take all those calculated risks."

I said it. I'd rather take that risk in trying to better ourselves than spend every season starting off shoite, finishing well, and bottling it in the games that really matter (cup finals/derbies etc).

 

[Kurt.]

You'll all be sorry when he is gone.

 

[Philw]

You'll all be sorry when he is gone.

Doubt it

 

[Summerskin]

You'll all be sorry when he is gone.

Koff Bill.