The NFL Thread, 2019

[SerenityNigh]

For me Rivers is miles better, and Eli should never get in. Just like Plunkett never should. Stabler never should have either.

Maybe he's better, but I still don't rate Rivers. He just doesn't pass the eye test for me. I love stats, at least as much as half of the next guys, and even though Rivers has some good stats, to me they're mostly *meh*.

Career 95 rating in 228 games with 397 TDs, 198 INTs, and 59271 Yds. That's ok, and it's not unfavorable compared to Brees* or Brady**
Brees 98 rating in 275 games with 547 TDs, 237 INTs, and 77416 Yds.
Brady 97 rating in 285 games with 541 TDs, 179 INTs, and 74571 Yds.
Ok, so Brees and Brady are much better at the passing stats. But the other stats matter too:

Rivers 228 games, 123 wins, 27 4th-quarter comebacks, 32 game-winning drives.
Brees 275 games, 163 wins, 35 4th-quarter comebacks, 50 game-winning drives.
Brady 285 games, 219 wins, 35 4th-quarter comebacks, 45 game-winning drives.

Maybe it's unfair to compare Rivers to these two, his stats are just meh. Also, how on earth Brady had 35 4QC with so many wins is amazing. And he had some terrible teammates many years.

*rampant homerism
**maybe an unfair comparison

 

[ilikecheese]

Maybe he's better, but I still don't rate Rivers. He just doesn't pass the eye test for me. I love stats, at least as much as half of the next guys, and even though Rivers has some good stats, to me they're mostly *meh*.

Career 95 rating in 228 games with 397 TDs, 198 INTs, and 59271 Yds. That's ok, and it's not unfavorable compared to Brees* or Brady**
Brees 98 rating in 275 games with 547 TDs, 237 INTs, and 77416 Yds.
Brady 97 rating in 285 games with 541 TDs, 179 INTs, and 74571 Yds.
Ok, so Brees and Brady are much better at the passing stats. But the other stats matter too:

Rivers 228 games, 123 wins, 27 4th-quarter comebacks, 32 game-winning drives.
Brees 275 games, 163 wins, 35 4th-quarter comebacks, 50 game-winning drives.
Brady 285 games, 219 wins, 35 4th-quarter comebacks, 45 game-winning drives.

Maybe it's unfair to compare Rivers to these two, his stats are just meh. Also, how on earth Brady had 35 4QC with so many wins is amazing. And he had some terrible teammates many years.

*rampant homerism
**maybe an unfair comparison

I think maybe we are having a misunderstanding. I am in agreement that Rivers is not a HOFer.

That is why Eli is defo not one either. Rivers is way better than him.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I think maybe we are having a misunderstanding. I am in agreement that Rivers is not a HOFer.

That is why Eli is defo not one either. Rivers is way better than him.

Ok, I mistook your "Rivers was far better than Eli, but both are extremely average for a long time" as "Rivers was good"

 

[Connor]

Eli is only a HOFer because of his name and where he played.

Two fluke throws in his two Super Bowl wins and a .500 career record.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Question for the group: If Eli hadn’t refused to go to San Diego, does he win a title there? Does Rivers win one for the Giants?

Better question is what happens if Rivers/Eli end up in Pittsburgh do they win more or less than Ben?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Eli is in the Hall of Fame discussion because of a combo of his name, market, QBs being given a disproportionate amount of credit for team success, an obsession with labeling people clutch performers and counting stats. I hate all of these things. He was largely an average QB who was on two good teams that won titles. I can't stand that this is even a discussion and his inevitable first ballot induction will really stink.

 

[SerenityNigh]

LOL Tom

 

[SerenityNigh]

Better question is what happens if Rivers/Eli end up in Pittsburgh do they win more or less than Ben?

I think this is a great question. Ben has 2 rings also? Another good-for-a-long time but still bang average QB.

 

[Minimeister]

Anyone have any thoughts on tonights game? Might have a flutter to make it a bit more interesting....

 

[Toast]

Anyone have any thoughts on tonights game? Might have a flutter to make it a bit more interesting....

As both teams are same price, I'm going to do a double on tonight and superbowl i think and hope I guess right on tonight's game.

 

[Walken]

Fancy the 49ers to grit it out but love to see a mahomes masterclass, no pats in the final means NFL is the real winner here

 

[ilikecheese]

I think this is a great question. Ben has 2 rings also? Another good-for-a-long time but still bang average QB.

He may be a bit rapey and all that but hard to argue with something like 140 wins vs 70 losses. He's not in the same discussion IMO. Defo HOFer.

 

[Toast]

This is grim.

 

[Stav1985]

This is grim.

That Fletcher Cox TD was fun though.

 

[Mickey]

What was that TD, no one wants to make the hit lol.