The NFL Thread, 2019

[stumps1878]

Dem Saints

Roll on Sunday

 

[James1878]

LA is filled with people who move there and have other teams that they come as fans of. It also didn't have a team for 20 years so lots of people just jumped on with other teams. The Rams still have somewhat of a leftover presence, as do the Raiders, but it was still 20 years. The Rams were outnumbered by 49ers fans at the game yesterday and the teams that travel well have turned the Coliseum into a neutral site at best many times. The city could have maybe handled one team at best. Moving two in was insanity.

The Chargers they have no presence. Carson was done to try and make it less embarrassing these next few years until they move but that hasn't worked. And when someone like the Jaguars or Titans go to play the Chargers in the new place it will be a complete embarrassment as 20k fans might show up to a 75k seat arena. It's funny because the Raiders desperately wanted to move to LA and may have landed the better deal in Vegas. The Chargers very easily could become the laughing stock of the league in the coming seasons once Rivers retires.

I'm from LA just so you know. I grew up with the Rams being the LA team and the Raiders for some of those years too. My dad is from New Orleans so i grew up as a Saints fan.

The Rams and Raiders still have big support in Southern California still. The problem for the Rams is most of their fans are blue collar. They cannot afford the tickets and so when they lose games they won't shell out. I know several season ticket holders and they don't like the cost especially for that awful stadium right now.

Apparently the new stadium is going to be way more expensive too.

Most of my friends and family grew up being Rams, Raiders or Niners fans.

The niners have massive support in So Cal many people from up north moved down here. That and like you say when teams left they changed to being niners fans.

If you go to a Dodgers or Padres baseball game it's the same thing more Giants fans than home teams a lot of the time.

Most of the friends of mine who support (or used too) the Chargers hail from San Diego.

I agree with everything you say in the second paragraph also.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I'm from LA just so you know. I grew up with the Rams being the LA team and the Raiders for some of those years too. My dad is from New Orleans so i grew up as a Saints fan.

The Rams and Raiders still have big support in Southern California still. The problem for the Rams is most of their fans are blue collar. They cannot afford the tickets and so when they lose games they won't shell out. I know several season ticket holders and they don't like the cost especially for that awful stadium right now.

Apparently the new stadium is going to be way more expensive too.

Most of my friends and family grew up being Rams, Raiders or Niners fans.

The niners have massive support in So Cal many people from up north moved down here. That and like you say when teams left they changed to being niners fans.

If you go to a Dodgers or Padres baseball game it's the same thing more Giants fans than home teams a lot of the time.

Most of the friends of mine who support (or used too) the Chargers hail from San Diego.

I agree with everything you say in the second paragraph also.

I think it was naive thinking that the city could handle two teams. It isn't often that the NFL can go somewhere and not be the biggest show in town but LA is a place where that can happen. Just the Rams/Raiders could have been mostly fine. Maybe those two could have coexisted decently. Chargers was a mistake by the league and especially by Spanos. Even with the failures to build a new stadium in San Diego, he has almost certainly lowered the value of his franchise and that is seriously difficult to do.

I'd bet the Chargers are playing somewhere else by 2030. I'm not sure what city makes sense but I can't see LA arrangement being a workable long term situation.

 

[James1878]

I think it was naive thinking that the city could handle two teams. It isn't often that the NFL can go somewhere and not be the biggest show in town but LA is a place where that can happen. Just the Rams/Raiders could have been mostly fine. Maybe those two could have coexisted decently. Chargers was a mistake by the league and especially by Spanos. Even with the failures to build a new stadium in San Diego, he has almost certainly lowered the value of his franchise and that is seriously difficult to do.

I'd bet the Chargers are playing somewhere else by 2030. I'm not sure what city makes sense but I can't see LA arrangement being a workable long term situation.

I agree the Chargers should never have moved there once the Rams decided they were moving back.

The NFL know they got it wrong. Sure it came out last year that the Spanos family overvalued their team and lied about their projected income to come from being in Carson and in Inglewood. They have sold less than 2% of their season tickets for the new stadium. They projected they would sell 40%. Which experts think wont even be close.

The NFL had a meeting last year about them and the what if were discussed.

The kicker is the elder spanos had a spat with Kroenke over the land they are building the stadium on long before the rams announced their move. They were supposed to have a deal in real estate and spanos toyed with the idea of a stadium. So krownke cut him loose and bought it himself then decided a few years later to move the rams back.

The whole thing about the condition was bs apparently that the rams would have moved regardless what the chargers did but to save face the NFL lied about it and are trying to convince people the chargers own part of the stadium.

The whole thing is shady and people in San Diego hate them for it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I agree the Chargers should never have moved there once the Rams decided they were moving back.

The NFL know they got it wrong. Sure it came out last year that the Spanos family overvalued their team and lied about their projected income to come from being in Carson and in Inglewood. They have sold less than 2% of their season tickets for the new stadium. They projected they would sell 40%. Which experts think wont even be close.

The NFL had a meeting last year about them and the what if were discussed.

The kicker is the elder spanos had a spat with Kroenke over the land they are building the stadium on long before the rams announced their move. They were supposed to have a deal in real estate and spanos toyed with the idea of a stadium. So krownke cut him loose and bought it himself then decided a few years later to move the rams back.

The whole thing about the condition was bs apparently that the rams would have moved regardless what the chargers did but to save face the NFL lied about it and are trying to convince people the chargers own part of the stadium.

The whole thing is shady and people in San Diego hate them for it.

It'll require a complete reshuffle of the divisions but is it possible they try to move them to London? It couldn't be worse than what they're doing in LA.

 

[James1878]

It'll require a complete reshuffle of the divisions but is it possible they try to move them to London? It couldn't be worse than what they're doing in LA.

Or Mexico lol

Many San Diegans think they will end up moving back.

The problem though is where they would play. There are plans for Jack Murphy stadium (Qualcomm or SDCCU now) for the university and a hopeful soccer team for the MLS. But there is division by the city and the groups.

It will get rebuilt only matter is how big it will be. The soccer team nor the Uni need a massive stadium. So i can see the city reaching back out to the chargers if the spanos family ruin it giving them one last chance.

There's talk of the Padres owners or one of them and some other group waiting in the wings to buy the chargers.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Or Mexico lol

Many San Diegans think they will end up moving back.

The problem though is where they would play. There are plans for Jack Murphy stadium (Qualcomm or SDCCU now) for the university and a hopeful soccer team for the MLS. But there is division by the city and the groups.

It will get rebuilt only matter is how big it will be. The soccer team nor the Uni need a massive stadium. So i can see the city reaching back out to the chargers if the spanos family ruin it giving them one last chance.

There's talk of the Padres owners or one of them and some other group waiting in the wings to buy the chargers.

I feel like Mexico needs to be tested more. London clearly will have people show up.

Also Mexico has that hideous chant they do on kickoffs that would need to be sorted.

San Diego is the obvious place but is someone as rich as Spanos going to make such a public show of "I messed up?" And as you said the stadium thing is an obstacle. I hope they replace Rivers quickly or that could go completely wrong.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Or Mexico lol

Many San Diegans think they will end up moving back.

The problem though is where they would play. There are plans for Jack Murphy stadium (Qualcomm or SDCCU now) for the university and a hopeful soccer team for the MLS. But there is division by the city and the groups.

It will get rebuilt only matter is how big it will be. The soccer team nor the Uni need a massive stadium. So i can see the city reaching back out to the chargers if the spanos family ruin it giving them one last chance.

There's talk of the Padres owners or one of them and some other group waiting in the wings to buy the chargers.

As a Pirate fan our fantasy is that Pittsburgh's own Mark Cuban will swoop in and save us from Bob Nutting, the Pirates owner.

Ain't gonna happen.

I hope for the Chargers this happens for them, but I think it's wishful thinking

 

[James1878]

As a Pirate fan our fantasy is that Pittsburgh's own Mark Cuban will swoop in and save us from Bob Nutting, the Pirates owner.

Ain't gonna happen.

I hope for the Chargers this happens for them, but I think it's wishful thinking

Yep that it is. Lucky i don't support them and could care less about that hot mess that is the Chargers lol

 

[James1878]

I feel like Mexico needs to be tested more. London clearly will have people show up.

Also Mexico has that hideous chant they do on kickoffs that would need to be sorted.

San Diego is the obvious place but is someone as rich as Spanos going to make such a public show of "I messed up?" And as you said the stadium thing is an obstacle. I hope they replace Rivers quickly or that could go completely wrong.

There are plenty of rich guys in San Diego that are richer than the Spano's family. The problem is though none of them want to own a sports team. The padres had similar issues when their last owner wanted to sell. They were very lucky to find a group of willing investors.

There were rumors that the old owner of the Padres John Moore's wanted to buy the Chargers and inquired with his group. Spano's family gave him the cold shoulder so i think he then tried to buy Nottingham Forrest instead.

 

[Frang]

im a packers fan for the night

big fan of Rodgers.. but he is abit of a bottle boy..

would suit evertons midfiled

@Toast @4737carlin @stumps1878

 

[Frang]

Christ that wa some frantic defending TD is corrrect

 

[4737carlin]

Damn just got in missed 8 minutes, have they mentioned Roger's last minute hail mary from a few seasons ago against the Lions yet

That aside those 3d and 4th plays then, hmm, not sure that was in Haha

 

[4737carlin]

As if he didnt catch that!

 

[4737carlin]

What a pic!! Haha