The return of David Moyes

[T Bone]

I know people are pointing out past achievements and stuff but the entire fabric of the premier league is totally different today to what it was when he joined and subsequently left. It’s a different sport and it’s no longer quite as “simple” as a bad team getting some good players in to get good, especially when the league has a massive hard on for Everton atm.

Exactly the league is much easier than the capitalist gulf of man u chelsea arsenal and rs of the early 2000s... finishing 5th then was like winning the league. Its much easier path to 5th now. Who knows what he can do

 

[pink toffees]

I probably fall into the ‘best of what we could have gone for” category with this appointment and in true Everton style, my mind is doing ten to the dozen to convince myself that this is a very wise decision and one that will the first building block of a very positive next few years. My blind optimism initially is based on just the following:
Moyes appreciates a good solid defensive system with centre half’s who do the basics well - he already has that in place so he does not need to alter between now and end of season
Full Backs - this is a guy who brought in and developed the 2 best full backs in our recent history in Baines & Pienaar. He knows what the fans want so unless Mykolenko gets on the magic pills ASAP, I’d imagine Moyes will have Thelwell in a chair, pulp fiction stylee, to get out there and enhance what we have.
Midfield - can’t see funds allowing much change with Garner, Ireogbunam coming back, but Moyes appreciated the need for a central midfielder who could actually pass a fookin ball! He will have arteta standards in mind
The unknown - Can’t see Moyes allowing Calvert-Lewin to wind down for rest of the season so can he eek any more out of him, between now and seasons end
PSR - nobody has a clue where we stand, but we bid for likes of that Nuamah (apparently) in the summer without success so reckon there is scope to deal. In what is probably our most important transfer window in recent history, I’d much rather Moyes made the call than Dyche
Thankyou for listening to my pitch, I’d like ten pints and a toothless brass for 20% of my business ??

I agree that the LB will be high priority for him to strenghten. If he can squeeze a bit more out of the midfield players and get a couple back we might be ok there. I do think a pacey winger is also vital. Up front we have enough just to play to their strenghts and get DCL playing again. Re PSR we were in for the likes of Nuamah last summer and i dont think it was a PSR problem but more of no cash in the account problem to pay first payments. That has now been fixed we hope.

Also a big thing is i think Moyes will put a hand around some of these players and make them feel wanted again. He always had a great team spirit.

 

[Bkk Andy]

Finishing 5th???? I think I'm going to puke.

Moyes out!

The fastest I've ever stuck a new poster on ignore.

 

[sd_1992]

It's a very good and fair point, but I don't think either of them has had the troubles of Everton over the last decade. If what I'm reading is right, we were selling players to pay bills.
The stadium, while needed ,nearly levelled us, poor decisions being made by the board , everyone on this forum knows where we have been and despaired for a long time.

I believe we need to take stock , learn from this awful period for Everton build from the ground up and get things in order it isn't going to happen overnight.

Just my opinion ,obviously.

I agree. But neither of those clubs went for the firefighter approach.

I can’t say I hate the appointment of Moyes, I just don’t particularly like it. The problem with him has always been when do you cut him loose. It puts us back in the deadly danger of never actually reaching for the stars if we become happy with 7-10 every season and the mantra becomes “why take the risk”.

 

[zebedee]

Woken up with proper mixed emotions this morning. He's better than the last 4 plebs we had in charge. We'll be safe by march but there's a niggly thing in the back of my head saying what if. Who that what if, not sure terzic?

 

[Zed Car]

I agree. But neither of those clubs went for the firefighter approach.

I can’t say I hate the appointment of Moyes, I just don’t particularly like it. The problem with him has always been when do you cut him loose. It puts us back in the deadly danger of never actually reaching for the stars if we become happy with 7-10 every season and the mantra becomes “why take the risk”.

I would be happy with a 7-10 place by the end of his contract and take stock then again

 

[Lanolin]

Oh absolutely I love the small victories , I can’t remember what time I got home after the derby .

We are also rans and I find that painful , I understand you don’t but I don’t like it .

I was addressing the club as a whole really , across the board , and I really do think those at its core who can change it responsible to be honest . As much as I , or I imagine you , would love a shift in Everton’s fortunes we can’t do anything. Those in boardrooms , dugouts and on the pitch can and I firmly believe that those people have become accustomed to celebrating mediocrity and yes as a fanbase we’ve been dragged along . I was In the boozer til silly o’clock with hundreds of others after palace for example , although the urge to ‘celebrate ‘ wore a bit thin by Bournemouth.

I also think it’s probably natural to have celebrated those moments , rather than that we’ve been brainwashed because without them what would we have done ? It’s been painful enough being a blue so without that brief joy it’d have been brutal . My issue I suppose is that it leaked into us to such an extent that survival became the aim . Every year our expectations have dropped , remember after Wimbledon the ‘never again ‘ how ridiculous does that comment look now ?

Ultimately it’s all about opinions isn’t it , I’d like more for this club and I hoped this new regime would signal a chance of that in our future. It may still happen but the appointment of Moyes , for me , seems to indicate for the short term at least that the Everton of bill Kenwright seems to be here for a bit longer .

I hope I’m not a ball of rage , pent up or otherwise and as for impotent than god for Pfizer .

Haha no sorry I should have clarified my post wasn’t aiming to criticise you. Yours just happened to be the one that triggered the response but it’s just something I keep seeing, this idea that we’ve been brainwashed or whatever or that our standards (as fans) have lowered. I desperately want Everton to be successful but I see finishing 6th as a good season because realistically it is a good season, not because Kenwright or Moyes talked us down 20 years ago. Hopefully that changes at some point, but I don’t think it’s going to be soon.

 

[daza_1973]

Woken up with proper mixed emotions this morning. He's better than the last 4 plebs we had in charge. We'll be safe by march but there's a niggly thing in the back of my head saying what if. Who that what if, not sure terzic?

Carlo wasn't a pleb to be fair.

 

[linnane666]

Too much bickerin here ..Only thing I care about that Moyes will do til May is get more out of this pathetic group than the charlatan we had last week would have .Thats all that matters

 

[bluenorthwarrior]

I would be happy with a 7-10 place by the end of his contract and take stock then again

Lots of talk about a reset and Moyes not being that, but the above is accurate for me.

Regardless of the manager what does a reset look like? We're not going from where we are now to qualifying for Europe next season whoever comes in. To me a reset over the next 18 months is survive without last day drama, recycle squad in summer, occupy the 8 - 12 slots next season, further refresh the squad in summer 26. That's not sexy but realistic and I would snap your hand off for it.

Can Moyes achieve that from where we are now? Evidence of most recent job suggests yes, with a minor trophy as the cherry on top.

 

[Nymzee]

I’m just glad there’ll be no surprises and no settling in period. Hiring someone like a Fonseca was a huge risk. Would he adapt to the league, would he get to grips with the club quick enough etc.

Moyes knows everything about us. He’ll come in, steady the ship, and we’ll enter BMD as a PL club.

 

[Moomin]

Woken up with proper mixed emotions this morning. He's better than the last 4 plebs we had in charge. We'll be safe by march but there's a niggly thing in the back of my head saying what if. Who that what if, not sure terzic?

Better than Carlo is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Moomin]

 

[tnc85]

Lots of talk about a reset and Moyes not being that, but the above is accurate for me.

Regardless of the manager what does a reset look like? We're not going from where we are now to qualifying for Europe next season whoever comes in. To me a reset over the next 18 months is survive without last day drama, recycle squad in summer, occupy the 8 - 12 slots next season, further refresh the squad in summer 26. That's not sexy but realistic and I would snap your hand off for it.

Can Moyes achieve that from where we are now? Evidence of most recent job suggests yes, with a minor trophy as the cherry on top.

Totally agree

 

[thirdmantackle]

Still don't think the squad is good enough to go past 14/15th

Not enough creativity