The return of David Moyes

Happy or not

  • Yes

    Votes: 271 25.3%

  • No

    Votes: 365 34.0%

  • Meh. Needs must.

    Votes: 436 40.7%
  • Total voters
    1,072
  • Poll closed .
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Bedfordblue said:
Oh we’ll kick on alright, he’ll restore us to our apparently rightful place of 8th or 7th most of the time.
Deep joy - and be bloody well grateful for it.
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The games moved on from when he was last here. If you believe we will get regular 7th/8th placed finishes under him then you’re in fantasy land.

We need a progressive forward-thinking coach. He’s none of that. Happy for him to guide us to safety this season but he then needs to be replaced in the Summer.
 

DualityNSNO said:
Anyway, can we not go back to rehiring managers like this? There's a hundred reasons to not hire him and 1 to do so - "he gets us lad, look at what he did over a decade ago".
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Who is saying that though? Only people who don't want him back. There are plenty of actual football reasons why he's a sensible appointment, they don't need any Kenwright-era sentimental pish.
 
Victus said:
If he comes in and beats Villa people will forget quite quickly I'd think.
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Yes. And a couple of signings in but that will probably need to wait a few weeks. The pressure will be on though.

He will need 4 points from Villa / Spurs games. A win to start would ease the pressure just a little. Any win, by any means would.
 

Bryan+ said:
Unbelievable! Less than 12hrs

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I get why he's a comfort blanket for a lot, it's why I said yesterday I don't think he'd be coming if he wasn't our manager all them years ago.

Kev The Rat said:
You need to ask yourself relevant questions instead such as is he a better manager than Dyche? Are we in serious danger of relegation? Who are the alternatives?

Instead of bringing up abstract points like what he did at West Ham which in the context of our relegation battle have no bearing whatsoever
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Generally when reviewing/discussing managerial options, you look at their prior record.

That's his last club then, and if there's a lot of discussion about him being "proverbial safe pair of hands", then you can look at when he joined his last club, half way through the season and look at whether or not he improved them. He didn't, 19 points in 20 games etc.

I'd expect any manager who comes in to keep us up - it had gone stale under Dyche, interim manager with half a squad not invested in next season. A new manager bounce, aided by some desperately needed transfer spend will see us safe. We're not even bottom 3 now, as bad as it's been.

So the question for me isn't is he better than Sean Dyche, I wanted Dyche gone as soon as we got new owners and the capability to spend.

The question I ask is, is he the right man to rebuild the team? Because I don't have confidence we'll lash him in the summer.
 
Milkman said:
That last part is such a lazy viewpoint. I must've missed the time that Sean Dyche won a European cup.
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Yeah this is true - he has won A European cup.

He isnt a serial winner, he isnt known for great football and we do not, absolutely do not, have the level of footballers he had last time he was at the club.

I argue it's not lazy personally, I dont see the difference between him, dyche, allardyce et al. We wont see expansive football under Moyes.
 
Milkman said:
Think there's some bias showing with the phrasing of that question.

If he is still here in 6 months, then it's 100% because he's kept us up. If he keeps us up then he's done his job, so would deserve a year to try and improve us no?
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It’s not about what he deserves but it would just be sensible, to hand over something on a more secure footing to a manager who can take us forward. The pace of actual change at a club (when you are talking about everything needing to be changed) often takes a bit of time.

We currently have a squad built for Dycheball I.e a bit unbalanced, focused on defensive players and not much in creativity or attack. You aren’t getting an attacking manager in and turning them into a good attacking team in the same way you can’t put a big engine into a Ford Ka and think it’ll go like a Ferrari.

We will have to rebuild a new squad over a number of windows and actually the best way of doing that is having whoever comes in now see it as that kind of handover project, so maybe Carsley is here for the long term and Moyes is simply fire-fighting in the short term and they work on phasing him out over that time.

There is a rumour that Moyes would like the Scotland managers job and up here the suggestion is that Clarke may leave after the next World Cup. If that were true then that would be a pretty well fitting timeline.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
The games moved on from when he was last here. If you believe we will get regular 7th/8th placed finishes under him then you’re in fantasy land.

We need a progressive forward-thinking coach. He’s none of that. Happy for him to guide us to safety this season but he then needs to be replaced in the Summer.
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And what if he keeps us up in a progressive, forward-thinking style? Still replace?
 

Toffe3m4n said:
As @GrandOldTeam alluded to yesterday - I think part of the reason why TFG are looking at Moyes is that they're wanting to replicate what Ranieri is currently doing at Roma. An experienced, familiar face to shore things up until the summer.
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I think it’s precisely that. They’ve tried a couple of things there that didn’t work but their results have turned around with the calm head of Ranieri in there. Don’t be surprised if they have the same idea of offering Moyes something upstairs afterwards to sweeten the deal.
 
Tony’s Carp said:
I think it’s precisely that. They’ve tried a couple of things there that didn’t work but their results have turned around with the calm head of Ranieri in there. Don’t be surprised if they have the same idea of offering Moyes something upstairs afterwards to sweeten the deal.
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Personally I think thats the only way everyone will be pacified with this.

Moyes in for 6 months and he moves upstairs at the end with a new long term manager in mind.
 
Tony’s Carp said:
I think it’s precisely that. They’ve tried a couple of things there that didn’t work but their results have turned around with the calm head of Ranieri in there. Don’t be surprised if they have the same idea of offering Moyes something upstairs afterwards to sweeten the deal.
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The cynic in me thinks they also went for Ranieri to calm discontent.

Like lashing Sharpy on the board :lol:
 

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