The return of David Moyes

[Piranha]

Anyone who says the words "backward step" is basically saying "i don't have any idea about football".

You can say Moyes isn't who i want but there's no evidence that Moyes is anything but an upgrade on Dyche unless you think consistently finishing higher every season is a negative.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

We’ve made every type of managerial decision possible since Moyes .

Hollywood appointments from Moshiri: Ancelotti, Benitez, Koeman

Progressive up and comers: Silva, Lampard, Martinez

Pragmatists: Allardyce, Dyche

They’ve mostly all ended up going the same way with the players either giving up or just reverting to nothing football

At least the pragmatists kept the back door shut if nothing else

That's the thing. He's done better than all those names, and with more limited resources. He's coming off arguably the best spell of his career and should be a better manager now than when he left. And if he develops a good young coach as his apprentice it could be a transition to better things for the long term.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Bit like the move with Ranieri at Roma?

Yup. And that move has worked.

 

[Daytripper]

The time to push on was when Moyes left. We had a top 6 squad stable in European qualification and he’d just brought through Barkley, brought in Stones, and then we had the money for Lukaku.

If at that point we’d been taken over with a new stadium pre PS&R we could have gone for a top manager and absolutely motored.

Demanding a top manager when you’re in the bottom half running a sell to loan transfer policy is just not going to happen. We need to build back, Moyes can do that, and when he hits his ceiling we might be back in Europe with far better players

“When he hits his ceiling “

That’s my point tho, there will be still huge backing for him regardless because it’s not a relegation fight .

This is a man who delivered no silverware, a terrible record at good teams, talks about the club as if he rebuilt a Coventry City, revered by some almost as much as more successful people in the clubs history and was given a big send off West Ham at home for being competent at papering over cracks sustained by a man , who despite major issues with his custodianship, was also given rounds of applause.

As I said I would love to be wrong, and with new owners it might be but as of now, as you can tell, very cynical.

 

[MisterJ]

Mustn't happen.

He had his time with us but that's done now

New owners, no sentimentality

 

[bluelegend]

Yep exactly that imo.

Looks like the initial plan was to leave Dyche in till the summer but his mentality & results have changed that.

Everton fans are living in a dreamworld if they think we were paying for a manager at a club in January.

yep we were going to pay big bucks to get Klopp in with Ancelotti as assistant and Mourinho as kit man!!!!!!!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He’s got to be in the running
I think he keeps us up

After that… these Friedkin boys won’t shy away from making the next decision

Potter, I think would have sunk us in the short term

If he keeps us up, he'll be kept on with some waffle about stability.

You've got to have some hope in football. We've been starved of it for years - dour Davey an his self serving down play expectation at every turn for his own benefit doesn't give us that hope.

I could tolerate Dyche, appreciating the wider context and hoped we had a few more months to tolerate. Moyes appointed for me just prolongs misery.

 

[Rich1878]

Stole this

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Anyone who says the words "backward step" is basically saying "i don't have any idea about football".

You can say Moyes isn't who i want but there's no evidence that Moyes is anything but an upgrade on Dyche unless you think consistently finishing higher every season is a negative.

End of the day Moyes' biggest achievement is winning a European trophy and Dyche's is the one time he's qualified for one. You can compare them stylistically but at what they do they are levels apart.

 

[ToffeeTim]

He's better, but with a massively better squad at West Ham only won another 3 or 4 points than Dyche last season.

That's fair, but I also think we have to focus on this year more.

The team have declined a lot under Dyche and I dont believe this level of performance becomes the normal under Moyes. We've watched lots of terrible Moyes Everton performances but I don't remember prolonged periods of such dire football with no plan whatsoever.

I dont like to limit ambition at Everton and it goes against my instincts, but we were in a tough position. We desperately needed a new manager but were never going to get a top manager in January. We had to go with an obvious and realistic upgrade.

That's why I don't complain about this decision. I just hope it's step 1 to something much better in time for Everton. We need to start moving forward again before we can make big progress.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Never go back! Will be in the same situation in 18 months

 

[Drico]

Anyone who says the words "backward step" is basically saying "i don't have any idea about football".

You can say Moyes isn't who i want but there's no evidence that Moyes is anything but an upgrade on Dyche unless you think consistently finishing higher every season is a negative.

There are many upgrades on Sean Dyche, but we just happen to fish in a tiny, incestuous gene pool.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

“When he hits his ceiling “

That’s my point tho, there will be still huge backing for him regardless because it’s not a relegation fight .

This is a man who delivered no silverware, a terrible record at good teams, talks about the club as if he rebuilt a Coventry City, revered by some almost as much as more successful people in the clubs history and was given a big send off West Ham at home for being competent at papering over cracks sustained by a man , who despite major issues with his custodianship, was also given rounds of applause.

All he has to do is meet his average here and at WHU and we will be massively improved. I think the squad here is much better than the results suggest, which is why Dyche got sacked.

David Moyes - Performance details: National leagues

Diese Statistik zeigt die nationalen Liga Leistungsdaten von David Moyes. Die erste Tabelle zeigt die Daten pro Wettbewerb, die zweite die jeweiligen Spielzeiten pro Wettbewerb im Detail.

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[Mozza1987]

Would only take him if it was till the end of the season

 

[chrismpw]

I would hope for better