The return of David Moyes

Happy or not

  • Yes

    Votes: 271 25.3%

  • No

    Votes: 365 34.0%

  • Meh. Needs must.

    Votes: 436 40.7%
  • Total voters
    1,072
  • Poll closed .
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MACCA75 said:
I’ve never known a situation ever where the manager decides the amount to bid for players with no input from anyone else, but people seem to think Moyes had complete autonomy with Baines and Fellaini.

I think it’s more likely Woodward decided what his club would bid.
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Moyes acted like a berk, but he was chastened and got his comeuppance by being sacked at Goodison.

That was catharsis enough.

I find it nuts people are still bitter about the Baines / Fellaini stuff. We won, he lost.
 

Bluewolf said:
I honestly believe that the stadium was one of the worst thing to happen to us short term.

It allowed everyone to finally accept the excuses that kenwright and his lot had been peddling for year. We as a fan base accepted being in relegation battels because of of "the stadium".

After every issue the club had the next day "oh, look at the new video of the stadium". We accepted it because we knew what the stadium ment in the long run but once youve let those standards slip its hard to get them back
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Said all along a big shiny new stadium is the last thing we needed. Boardroom academy and first team football needs to be right first. Totally get the commercial side of it but near killed us building that ground only for us to be playing the same 💩 in it next season.
 
I don't understand where this "he lowered expectations" nonsense has come from. People who say it act like we weren't in a torrid state in the early 00's just like we are now, battling relegation repeatedly. That's what lowered expectations, not Moyes, and he then had us battling for Europe most seasons, and acually brought pride back to the club.

Some also need to accept that we are not the Everton of the 1960s and 1980s. For the whole Premier League era we haven't acted like a top club whether that was before he came, during his time, and after. Stadium decisions, letting our best players go, lack of top 4 finishes, lack of trophies and our disgraceful records against a variety of clubs whether it's not beating Chelsea for 30 years in the League at Stamford Bridge to failing to beat Bournemouth in the League at their ground since they came up almost 10 years ago.
 

TraffordBlue said:
I don't understand where this "he lowered expectations" nonsense has come from. People who say it act like we weren't in a torrid state in the early 00's just like we are now, battling relegation repeatedly. That's what lowered expectations, not Moyes, and he then had us battling for Europe most seasons, and acually brought pride back to the club.

Some also need to accept that we are not the Everton of the 1960s and 1980s. For the whole Premier League era we haven't acted like a top club whether that was before he came, during his time, and after. Stadium decisions, letting our best players go, lack of top 4 finishes, lack of trophies and our disgraceful records against a variety of clubs whether it's not beating Chelsea for 30 years in the League at Stamford Bridge to failing to beat Bournemouth in the League at their ground since they came up almost 10 years ago.
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I think it’s more accurate to say he capped expectations.

We were trash before he came, and he improved us massively. But he took us as far as he could and marketed that as the best it was possible to achieve at Everton.
 
It's not an inspiring signing, and I can fully understand why some people think he is the wrong appointment.

But this is not the 80s, we are not challenging for trophies, and just because we used to, doesn't mean we have a divine right to. Recognising this does not equate to a lack of ambition, it is just a firm understanding of where we currently are as a club.

When Moyes first joined we were a team hovering just above the relegation places and he turned us into the "best of the rest". There is no guarantee he will do that again but he has proven that he has the ability to do it.

He is not the young progressive attacking coach we all wanted, but sometimes you do have to cut your cloth accordingly and go for a safe pair of hands. That is what Moyes represents - a safe pair of hands which ultimately buys the owners time to really understand the club (and the league) and what is needed in order to move forward
 
allen said:
I think it’s more accurate to say he capped expectations.

We were trash before he came, and he improved us massively. But he took us as far as he could and marketed that as the best it was possible to achieve at Everton.
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His own PR above the club
 

TraffordBlue said:
I don't understand where this "he lowered expectations" nonsense has come from. People who say it act like we weren't in a torrid state in the early 00's just like we are now, battling relegation repeatedly. That's what lowered expectations, not Moyes, and he then had us battling for Europe most seasons, and acually brought pride back to the club.

Some also need to accept that we are not the Everton of the 1960s and 1980s. For the whole Premier League era we haven't acted like a top club whether that was before he came, during his time, and after. Stadium decisions, letting our best players go, lack of top 4 finishes, lack of trophies and our disgraceful records against a variety of clubs whether it's not beating Chelsea for 30 years in the League at Stamford Bridge to failing to beat Bournemouth in the League at their ground since they came up almost 10 years ago.
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Exactly. That’s why I don’t get why the knife to a gunfight comment boiled so many fans’ P155. It wasn’t meant to belittle the club, it was a way of pointing out the difference in finances available to build a team from compared to the top teams, and it was a bit of psychological gamesmanship against the opposition - set us up a David vs Goliath so the weight of expectation is on them not us, taking pressure off our players and heaping it on theirs. It wasn’t saying we are a small club, it was saying that based on several previous years of poor performance, and with a limited budget to work with, we simply didn’t have the ability to assemble an expensive star-studded team of recognised top internationals like others could. Obviously didn’t go down well with the fans but it was the reality of the club at the time, we were fishing (very successfully) for gems from lower divisions or from abroad, not splashing millions on superstars. And although us fans remembered better days in the mid to late 80s the fact is the club had taken a nosedive for a while, seen a brief resurgence under Royle, then nosedived to mediocrity and worse before Moyes came along. He transformed us into a cohesive and for the most part, competitive team. One that fought hard every game and actually entertained us again after the dreariness of the Walter Smith years. Is he the right man for us now? In an ideal world no, but in the precarious position we find ourselves in, and the need to bin-off Dyche now rather than in the summer forcing our hand, he’s probably a safer gamble than many other shouts. I just hope those fans who were against his return can bury the hatchett and get behind him and the team for the rest of the season.
 

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