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The US is spreading ebola and is using Africa as a bio-weapon testing ground

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I'd say that half of those conditions that you've listed have only become societal problems since the advent of American cultural hegemony. Heart disease, diabetes and strokes have skyrocketed in this country since we allowed in the likes of McDonalds etc. Prevention, as they say, is better than cure. It just doesn't make big pharma any money

The chinese consider heart attacks to be a western disease.

May not be deliberate per se, but the contents of western diets, sweeteners, high fat, high sugar high everything, lack of exercise and a sedentary lifestyle topped with hedonism aims for shorter lives.

Think of 'man' as a component of industry alone and his usefullness and productivity run out fairly early, with a constant, balanced number, coupled with automated production, materialism can be supplied to maintain a system, let the numbers runaway with themselves and it becomes unstable and unsustainable, putting the system and those that benefit the most from it in jeopardy.

A cull is the only answer, war, famine, disease and erm, another apocalyptic gee gee....:)
 
So you believe a deadly virus that has not been around in any noticeable cases for 40 year at least has suddenly spread like wildfire throughout certain (poor) parts of Africa all of a sudden and all because some bats held the dormant virus all this time?

because that is the official story
I assume you have some qualification in science/microbiology/medicine or something which enables you to be better informed than those currently providing our information.
Instead of lazy conclusions and "don't believe the newspapers" etc, please provide some scientific information to support your theory so that I can make an informed judgement.
 
If theres one thing that planet earth has its plenty of humans, to many infact,
Nature the planet whatever you want to call it is reacting to that, by giving us a spread of deseases.
Gaia theory in action, weather ,desease all to get the population down were doomed, well maybe not us but loads of others.
 
Ebola, despite having a high mortality rate, isn't that easily transmittable. If a massive cull of people was your goal then Ebola would be a pretty ineffective tool for the job. Malaria has killed about 100 times as many people over the same period. Why isn't anyone starting threads that Malaria is some kind of Malthusian plot by the US govt?
 

Is it the beginning of Agenda 21? I'm sure most people haven't even heard of that but to imply that any dissenting view is due to a lack of education is very dismissive to me. I mean I can only speak for myself but in a couple of months I'll have a degree in politics so I can certainly attest to having taken a "course" or two within the relevant field. I point to Tuskegee, MK Ultra, Operation Northwoods, the Gulf of Tonkin, Iran Contra, CIA drug trafficking, Operation Mockingbird, COINTELPRO and Edward Snowden as just a select few examples of how the U.S. Government is quite untrustworthy and willing to consider the murder of its own people with complete disregard and en think maybe it's not so easily dismissed. Not that I nor most others could have enough facts at this point to make an informed decision.

How about this for a similar occurrence?

"From 1954 to 1961, simian virus 40 (SV40) somehow showed up in polio vaccines, according to the American Journal of Cancer. Researchers estimate 98 million people in the U.S. and even more worldwide received contaminated inoculations."

http://www.businessinsider.com/true-government-conspiracies-2013-12?IR=T

I don't know what Simian Virus is but didn't people question how AIDS travelled between monkeys and humans? I mean maybe it was some kind of mistake but if you believe that if that was the case and that the Government would admit culpability then Youd be mad. I could name hundreds of occasions where the government has been proven responsible for the deaths of individuals yet have deliberately withheld compensation until as many as possible of the victims had died in order to reduce the bill.

All the cases you list above are too disconnected to suggest some sort of systematic conspiracy by the US gov't on its people, but certainly there has been many individual cases of the US govt acting quite nasty to its own folks (we still do when it comes to poor people, particularly poor blacks, women, and native Americans). But the simian virus in the polio vaccine was due to the fact that the original watered-down version of the virus (which allows us to produce antibodies) was grown inside a monkey. At that time, we didn't didn't know much about virology and our knowledge of how viruses propagate or what they do was fairly nil. It's not a surprise that we didn't discover it as it doesn't show any symptoms in monkeys that were used in the lab. But two things are at issue here: 1) was there an initial plot to infect the vaccine with a virus back in the 50s--NO, not at all. 2) Was there a typical ham-fisted waffling and slow-to-act response with respect to how to get rid of it once discovered--YES, certainly. This is largely due to the vaccine being developed in one area of the government, likely the National Institute of Health, but it's administration was overseen by another arm of government, the CDC.

The connection between SV40 and AIDS is nonexistent (as is the link between SV40 and cancer--the fact that virions have been discovered in tumors in humans is due to the fact that the virus can get everywhere, once tumors have metastasized). It has been shown that the jump from SIV (simian immunovirus) to HIV arose in the 1930, very likely through the consumption of bushmeat in the form of a monkey or chimp--a practice that is still very widespread today.

I'm not exactly differing with you here, but only suggesting that when viewed on a case-by-case basis the facts of each case don't suggest a systematic conspiracy, though when compiled in a tabloid-esque "Business Insider" article it can appear to be. But the SV40 virus in polio vaccines doesn't ring of conspiracy to me.
 
All the cases you list above are too disconnected to suggest some sort of systematic conspiracy by the US gov't on its people, but certainly there has been many individual cases of the US govt acting quite nasty to its own folks (we still do when it comes to poor people, particularly poor blacks, women, and native Americans). But the simian virus in the polio vaccine was due to the fact that the original watered-down version of the virus (which allows us to produce antibodies) was grown inside a monkey. At that time, we didn't didn't know much about virology and our knowledge of how viruses propagate or what they do was fairly nil. It's not a surprise that we didn't discover it as it doesn't show any symptoms in monkeys that were used in the lab. But two things are at issue here: 1) was there an initial plot to infect the vaccine with a virus back in the 50s--NO, not at all. 2) Was there a typical ham-fisted waffling and slow-to-act response with respect to how to get rid of it once discovered--YES, certainly. This is largely due to the vaccine being developed in one area of the government, likely the National Institute of Health, but it's administration was overseen by another arm of government, the CDC.

The connection between SV40 and AIDS is nonexistent (as is the link between SV40 and cancer--the fact that virions have been discovered in tumors in humans is due to the fact that the virus can get everywhere, once tumors have metastasized). It has been shown that the jump from SIV (simian immunovirus) to HIV arose in the 1930, very likely through the consumption of bushmeat in the form of a monkey or chimp--a practice that is still very widespread today.

I'm not exactly differing with you here, but only suggesting that when viewed on a case-by-case basis the facts of each case don't suggest a systematic conspiracy, though when compiled in a tabloid-esque "Business Insider" article it can appear to be. But the SV40 virus in polio vaccines doesn't ring of conspiracy to me.
You seem to know what you're talking about mate. I wasn't suggesting that all the cases I listed were connected, I was more pointing out that it isn't inconceivable that a government, not even necessarily just the US one, is more than capable of endangering its own or another population in order to make money or further its agenda as a few previous posters were patronising anyone who dared to even consider the possibility that their big, cuddly government would even consider doing anything that would be against the good of their own people
 
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You seem to know what you're talking about mate. I wasn't suggesting that all the cases I listed were connected, I was more pointing out that it isn't inconceivable that a government, not even necessarily just the IS one, is more than capable of endangering its own or another population in order to make money or further its agenda as a few previous posters were patronising anyone who dared to even consider the possibility that their big, cuddly government would even consider doing anything that would be against the good if their own people

No arguments with what you say above. Cheers.
 
In military venues[edit]
In August 1949 a U.S. Army Special Operations Division, operating out of Fort Detrick in Maryland, set up its first test at The Pentagon in Washington, D.C. Operatives sprayed harmless bacteria into the building's air conditioning system and observed as the microbes spread throughout the Pentagon.[55]

The U.S. military acknowledges that it tested several chemical and biological weapons on US military personnel in the desert facility, including the East Demilitarization Area nearDeseret Chemical Depot/Deseret Chemical Test Center at Fort Douglas, Utah, but takes the position that the tests have contributed to long-term illnesses in only a handful of exposed personnel.[56] Veterans who took part believe they were also exposed to Agent Orange. The Department of Veterans Affairs denies almost all claims for care and compensation made by veterans who believe they got sick as a result of the tests. The U.S. military for decades remained silent about "Project 112" and its victims, a slew of tests overseen by the Army's Deseret Test Center in Salt Lake City. Project 112 starting in the 1960s tested chemical and biological agents, including VX, sarin and E. coli, on military personnel who did not know they were being tested. After the Defense Department finally acknowledged conducting the tests on unwitting human subjects, it agreed to help the Veterans' Affairs Department track down those who were exposed, but a General Accountability Office report in 2008 scolded the military for ceasing the effort.[56]

In civilian venues[edit]
Medical experiments were conducted on a large scale on civilians who had not consented to participate. Often, these experiments took place in urban areas in order to test dispersion methods. Questions were raised about detrimental health effects after experiments in San Francisco, California, were followed by a spike in hospital visits; however, in 1977 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention determined that there was no association between the testing and the occurrence of pneumonia or influenza.[57] The San Francisco test involved a U.S. Navy ship that sprayed Serratia marcescens from the bay; it traveled more than 30 miles.[57] One dispersion test involved laboratory personnel disguised as passengers spraying harmless bacteria in Washington National Airport.[57]

Scientists tested biological pathogens, including Bacillus globigii, which were thought to be harmless, at public places such as subways. A light bulb containing Bacillus globigii was dropped on New York City's subway system; the result was strong enough to affect people prone to illness (also known as Subway Experiment).[58] Based on the circulation measurements, thousands of people would have been killed if a dangerous microbe was released in the same manner.[57]

A jet aircraft released material over Victoria, Texas, that was monitored in the Florida Keys.[57]

The reason the story eminates from North Korea is because of the US involvement in the Korean war and the allegations that the US military used biological warfare.

Korean War[edit]
Main article: Allegations of biological warfare in the Korean War
In 1952, during the Korean War, the Chinese and North Koreans insinuated that mysterious outbreaks of disease in North Korea and China[37] were due to U.S. biological attacks.[38] Despite contrary assertions from the International Red Cross and World Health Organization, whom the Chinese denounced as Western-biased, the Chinese government pursued an investigation by the World Peace Council.[39] A committee led by Joseph Needham gathered evidence for a report that included testimony from eyewitnesses, doctors, and four American Korean War prisoners who confirmed use of biological weapons by the U.S.[39] The U.S. government denied the accusations and their denial was generally supported by top scientists in the West.[39] In eastern Europe, China, and North Korea it was widely believed that the accusations were true.[37] A 1988 book on the Korean War, by Western historians Jon Halliday and Bruce Cumings also suggested the claims might be true.[40][41]

There is also allegations that the US has used chemical warfare against Cuba.
 

But thats what im saying. 65% is a pretty large chunk of the deaths per year. I think there is a decent chance that there is actually cures for some of these diseases, the worst kind, most frequent if you will but its being kept a secret TO control numbers.

I dont think its absurd to think this.

Also that 65% of deaths continues to increase.


Statistically, we're living the longest lives in the history of mankind and most of the big killers, heart disease, cancer etc. become significantly more probably the older you get. If you're 90, you're far more likely to develop cancer, dementia or heart disease than someone who is 40. I How many has ebola killed this year? A couple of thousand? It's not trivial by any means, but if it was a method of population control, it really needs to be taking bigger bites of the apple than that. Your biggest gripe seems to be that doctors aren't curing everything left,right and centre. But sure, how complex could the human body really be?
 
Ebola, despite having a high mortality rate, isn't that easily transmittable. If a massive cull of people was your goal then Ebola would be a pretty ineffective tool for the job. Malaria has killed about 100 times as many people over the same period. Why isn't anyone starting threads that Malaria is some kind of Malthusian plot by the US govt?

ah, but they key thing about Ebola is that it is fairly straightforward to treat an early stage sufferer in western standards of health clinics (saline solution and isolation ffs) but very difficult in Africa. Rich or poor, if you get malaria it's baaaaaaaaaad news for you.

Still a groundless accusation.
 
Can't be arsed reading through the whole thread but I would be disappointed if nobody has posted the photo of the fella in the tin foil hat...?
 

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