Thoughts.

[Robert Jarvis]

Another viewpoint to the manny fiasco. If it had been the other way round and Everton had stolen the player from under Valencia's nose, you would all be saying, Well done, get in there. So don't blame the Spanish club for taking advantage of a situation that the Everton board had allowed to develop. It was well known that Everton were after Manny for a few weeks now so why did it take so long. Never mind the FA for dragging their feet but look a bit nearer home. The Everton board and transfers are like oil and water. The policy of the management seems to be to offer a ludicrous amount to a club for a player to be allowed to leave and then act with shock when it is rejected. So the saga starts with the club niggling and increasing the offer by negligible increments until they arrive at the figure the selling club wanted in the first place. Everton from memory must have spent about a fortnight with such antics in dealing with Benfica and why did they not sort the purchase of the MSI interest at the same time but apparently leaving it until they felt Manny was going to sign. Don't you think that the club should have talked to the FA weeks and weeks ago over the question of ownership after the Blades/Hammers mess before embarking on offers for Manny.

Now there is another mess which we are witnessing the subject of a work permit for Yak. Well how is it he was allowed to play some games for Boro from the start of the season. Here is another situation with Everton make low offers initially and eventually coming to Boro's valaution, weeks wasted. In addition why did the board not sort out the subject of a work permit before, had Boro not told them about this. Everton will find out on Wednesday but if it is no then that leaves just 2 days before the window closes, what a F...... mess.

We are now 41/2 days to the end of the window, I think if we miss Yak then there will be no other signings and we will go with what we have until January when the season is half over.

Rather than point the finger at The FA, Valencia, Benfica, Home Office we should look at the ineptitude of the Board and CEO.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Another viewpoint to the manny fiasco. If it had been the other way round and Everton had stolen the player from under Valencia's nose, you would all be saying, Well done, get in there. So don't blame the Spanish club for taking advantage of a situation that the Everton board had allowed to develop. It was well known that Everton were after Manny for a few weeks now so why did it take so long. Never mind the FA for dragging their feet but look a bit nearer home. The Everton board and transfers are like oil and water. The policy of the management seems to be to offer a ludicrous amount to a club for a player to be allowed to leave and then act with shock when it is rejected. So the saga starts with the club niggling and increasing the offer by negligible increments until they arrive at the figure the selling club wanted in the first place. Everton from memory must have spent about a fortnight with such antics in dealing with Benfica and why did they not sort the purchase of the MSI interest at the same time but apparently leaving it until they felt Manny was going to sign. Don't you think that the club should have talked to the FA weeks and weeks ago over the question of ownership after the Blades/Hammers mess before embarking on offers for Manny.

Now there is another mess which we are witnessing the subject of a work permit for Yak. Well how is it he was allowed to play some games for Boro from the start of the season. Here is another situation with Everton make low offers initially and eventually coming to Boro's valaution, weeks wasted. In addition why did the board not sort out the subject of a work permit before, had Boro not told them about this. Everton will find out on Wednesday but if it is no then that leaves just 2 days before the window closes, what a F...... mess.

We are now 41/2 days to the end of the window, I think if we miss Yak then there will be no other signings and we will go with what we have until January when the season is half over.

Rather than point the finger at The FA, Valencia, Benfica, Home Office we should look at the ineptitude of the Board and CEO.

So in essence you are blaming the board?

 

[Dom1878]

wasnt the boards fault, it took ages to get the right contracts and everything, especially with the whole who owned him thing, thats why valenica did it so fast becasue the rules dont apply there...not the boards fault

 

[Robert Jarvis]

I think in the first instance one needs to look at how they handle transfers. All the other issues that came to light are basically follow ons and surely any one with a bit of grey matter would have looked at these to ensure there would be no problems.

 

[Cold Nate]

1. maybe the club did approach FA weeks/months ago, and got a "we'll need to see the contract to give you guidance on what we'll do" response

2. Yak work permit due to change in employer i believe. it's not the first time these things take a little bit of work (Pienar this season alone for us).

3. Even if there are no more signings, sometimes the best deal to make is to not make one at all. I still believe we can finish in top 4 this year with the players in our squad right now.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Well the OS is keeping quiet. You can bet if he had signed BK would appear to receive the well dones but where is he when it goes pear shaped.

 

[CanadaToffee]

Right on, Nate. Another big sgninmg would be the icing, but we already have the cake.

We had 16 players dressed for the Blackburn game - all first team squad, no "kids". Here's who was NOT included in the 16 (off the top of my head, may be missing someone):
- Vaughan
- Cahill
- Valente
- Yak (the work permit hearing is a formality)
- Da Silva
- Turner

That's 22 players, excluding the promising youngsters. (VDM omitted intentionally.)

 

[Robert Jarvis]

So we go with what we have and bring Da Silva back. Probably the best way forward and perhaps forget Yak, save the money for January.

 

[zero]

Da Silva is at Barnsley...so he couldn't play anyway.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

He is on loan and surely can be recalled.

 

[TX Bill]

One would think that after the Tevez and Mascherano affairs, that the FA would know what the hell they're looking for in reviewing these contracts.

It isn't rocket science. Either the deal can get done or it can't. It doesn't take 3+ weeks to get approval. If it was the first one to be tried, then I might understand. But they got 'em done for ManU and Liverpool but somehow weren't able to get it done for us?

Nah, no way. This is ALL on the FA. Moyes, Kenwright, Wyness, anyone related to Everton, their hands are clean on this one.

 

[Cold Nate]

Yeah, maybe the money is better spent in January when we have an idea of what is working in the new lineup and what isn't...

 

[Robert Jarvis]

My point Tex is that surely they would have discussed this with the FA to find out what is needed beforemaking an offer so the transfer saga would not have dragged on for weeks.

 

[Rob]

After Teven affair was done, the FA changed the rules and so the [Poor language removed], manure got away with it and we are punished.

some things never change

funny I say that, because RJ blaming Everton... we tried to sign the fella and the whole deal hit the [Poor language removed] and due to spain not having any rules regarding third party ownership I don't blame manny for just settling his future with no fuss or hassle.

TX - I dunno if you still have me ignored, but you are spot on! I very often agree with your posts 100%, hope we can burn a few bridges in the near future!

 

[Blue Wiz]

Only thing Everton could have done better is one of two things:

1. Tried to finalize this deal in June/July, not wait until mid/late August.

2. Buy Fernandez completely from both parts, instead of buying out Benfica now and get a clause to buy out the other owner later... as it is said on some sites.


But nevertheless.. I can't really put alot of blame on the board this time. They did try to make this go through, has a verbal promise from the player... and in theory that's as binding as a written paper... but no proof of it.

We got screwed in another transfer.. that's the bottom line. Time to move on and learn from this so we won't make the same mistake again.