Thoughts.

[CanadaToffee]

Fernandes is [Poor language removed].

FACT!

Now let's stop all the navel-gazing in various threads and move on. We have a good squad, a great manager, and we should be be looking ahead with optimism.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Rob, you are not reading my post correctly, I am saying the Board and CEO should have done their homework before getting into offers and thus avoiding an embarassing debacle with both Manny and Yak. A simple home truth is that transfers and the board do not seem to be straightforward. City signed half a dozen players in the blink of an eye, why is it so difficult for Everton?

But CT is right, we move on and hope some lessons have been learned.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a baffling situation because pretty much the same thing happened in January when we signed him on loan. That deal dragged on for weeks and weeks and just scraped inside the transfer window.

I don't suppose the truth behind the deal will ever come out but one thing is for sure, it would be nice if all parties involved (FA and ourselves) had a well defined operating procedure for just such an occurence.

Heck it would be nice if FIFA got off their backsides and defined the situation regarding third party ownership across the game rather than relying on individual associations to make their own rules up.

It's difficult to reflect on the performance of the board in the transfer dealings because we don't really know what went on. You could suggest they were being tight fisted (or frugal whichever your disposition), you could argue that we were being honourable and agents were fencing the player about. It's difficult to say because we have very little to go on. What will hopefully happen is that information from every transfer and the negotiations that go into them are pooled and used to ensure that each and every transfer in future succeeds more smoothly than the last.

As for our current situation, it's not doom and gloom. What we do need is to find an alternative creative source because sides are beginning to sit on Arteta safe in the knowledge that no one else will create for us. It seems that VDM is out of the equation. Pienaar has a reputation for being creative so may be used? Cahill will help shoulder a bit of the burden when he returns. Not really great. Osman has done well this season but still lacks the ability to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[CanadaToffee]

Fair points about creativity, Bruce, emphasized when the long ball is not an option. Not that I like or commend long ball tactics, but it'd take some pressure off Arteta if we had a target man up front to allow some variety. This I believe is where we miss Vaughan, and where Vic did in fact make a difference when he came on. I remember a couple of games late last season where Vaughan, both aerially and in chasing down defenders, made experienced central defenders look very scared indeed.

I suspect once he and Cahill are back, Arteta will find a lot more space in which to operate.

 

[TX Bill]

Rob, you are not reading my post correctly, I am saying the Board and CEO should have done their homework before getting into offers and thus avoiding an embarassing debacle with both Manny and Yak. A simple home truth is that transfers and the board do not seem to be straightforward. City signed half a dozen players in the blink of an eye, why is it so difficult for Everton?

But CT is right, we move on and hope some lessons have been learned.

I will certainly give you that. It seems that transfers go off without a hitch when it comes to other clubs but it's always smoke and mirrors with Everton.

Why is that?

Now I'm guessing that part of it is that Moyes has to be a bit more careful with the money than a club who now has a moneybags owner but there's more to it than that.

 

[chicoazul]

I always said he was gash.

 

[Dylan]

That you did chico, that you did.....

 

[McBain]

I will certainly give you that. It seems that transfers go off without a hitch when it comes to other clubs but it's always smoke and mirrors with Everton.

Why is that?

Now I'm guessing that part of it is that Moyes has to be a bit more careful with the money than a club who now has a moneybags owner but there's more to it than that.

I think youll find its the same at any club. Wading into this debate, the details and the dramas that play out at our club, at any club is only played out by the people involved. This isnt an angry peice by the way. Its my birthday so Im happy. Not that Im older, its the presents. And the thought of more presents to come!

We the supporters sit on the sidelines in every possible way. Thats all we do. Support. People with all this conspiracy bullshit, blaming everyone havent a clue how these things work.

My point is that, in reality, does everyone know the kind of money we are talking about here? Its become so nonchelant to throw millions around nowadays. "Oh hes only a million. Hes crap."

Garendamnteed you start throwing millions around your gunna uncover some seedy sharks. Same with any buisiness.

Manny unfortunatley signed his young life away to said sharks, and so, said sharks control the tempo. The kids a pawn, not a very bright one. A bit more schooling would have ironed Manny out, but as it stands he's a Valencia player for the next six years.

Im not angry at him. I really do feel sorry for the kid.

"He doesnt know what he's missing out on"

 

[Dylan]

That, McBain, is quite possibly the best post on the subject I have read. On all levels.

Positive rep for you!!

 

[McBain]

Thanks mate, just holding up the 'night shift'!

 

[monty]

1 Another viewpoint to the manny fiasco. If it had been the other way round and Everton had stolen the player from under Valencia's nose, you would all be saying, Well done, get in there. So don't blame the Spanish club for taking advantage of a situation that the Everton board had allowed to develop. It was well known that Everton were after Manny for a few weeks now so why did it take so long. Never mind the FA for dragging their feet but look a bit nearer home.

! Robert we have been mates for sometime and I certainly hope that we remain so after this but I cannot sit back and let this thread go by without a rebuttal. You say ‘never mind the FA dragging their feet’ why, they did without question I must therefore ask why you wish to ignore a fundamental truth, is it simply to garnish your tirade. We only became aware that he was available about three and a half weeks ago, he had been toted around Europe to clubs his owners thought may afford the price, Valencia having been one of them.

2 The Everton board and transfers are like oil and water. The policy of the management seems to be to offer a ludicrous amount to a club for a player to be allowed to leave and then act with shock when it is rejected. So the saga starts with the club niggling and increasing the offer by negligible increments until they arrive at the figure the selling club wanted in the first place.

2 A fair and literal translation of this statement is pay the going price, you would be the first one on here moaning if the board did that and I would be right behind you. If this policy of yours was followed then we would have paid Boro one and half million more for Yakubu, unfortunately with no questions asked. It seems to me this point of yours is so nonsensical that you clearly haven’t thought your piece through.

3 Everton from memory must have spent about a fortnight with such antics in dealing with Benfica and why did they not sort the purchase of the MSI interest at the same time but apparently leaving it until they felt Manny was going to sign. Don't you think that the club should have talked to the FA weeks and weeks ago over the question of ownership after the Blades/Hammers mess before embarking on offers for Manny.

3 Excuse me, the club were negotiating with Benfica, the PL, his owners and watching what model was acceptable to the PL for the Tevez transfer, would you prefer us to become another West Ham bunch of liars, they did it the only way possible, the right way.

4 Now there is another mess which we are witnessing the subject of a work permit for Yak. Well how is it he was allowed to play some games for Boro from the start of the season. Here is another situation with Everton make low offers initially and eventually coming to Boro's valaution, weeks wasted. In addition why did the board not sort out the subject of a work permit before, had Boro not told them about this. Everton will find out on Wednesday but if it is no then that leaves just 2 days before the window closes, what a F...... mess.

4 You know as well as I do that both clubs employ solicitors and accountants to check these matters, a fair person would therefore assume that both parties expected few problems however you, like myself, should be well aware that government departments can delay things, rulings can sit on tables pending decisions and after all this is in a period of three weeks, so why are you blaming EFC I find that quite astonishing and I don’t want us to sign the guy

5 We are now 41/2 days to the end of the window, I think if we miss Yak then there will be no other signings and we will go with what we have until January when the season is half over.

5 We have signed two current English internationals and a German international keeper so far this summer, I think we’ll survive and I have my fingers crossed that we don’t sign the Yak.

6 Rather than point the finger at The FA, Valencia, Benfica, Home Office we should look at the ineptitude of the Board and CEO.

6 Rather than point the finger at the Board and CEO we should look at the duplicity of The FA, Benfica, his owners and Home Office

I trust that no insult is taken here mate but I could not believe that you would feel so biased against the Board and club who after all is said and done were trying to sign a player the fans worshipped. Why on earth anyone should see fit to castigate them in this fashion for doing their very best is beyond me, and I'll still sending you the e-mails

 

[monty]

I think youll find its the same at any club. Wading into this debate, the details and the dramas that play out at our club, at any club is only played out by the people involved. This isnt an angry peice by the way. Its my birthday so Im happy. Not that Im older, its the presents. And the thought of more presents to come!

We the supporters sit on the sidelines in every possible way. Thats all we do. Support. People with all this conspiracy bullshit, blaming everyone havent a clue how these things work.

My point is that, in reality, does everyone know the kind of money we are talking about here? Its become so nonchelant to throw millions around nowadays. "Oh hes only a million. Hes crap."

Garendamnteed you start throwing millions around your gunna uncover some seedy sharks. Same with any buisiness.

Manny unfortunatley signed his young life away to said sharks, and so, said sharks control the tempo. The kids a pawn, not a very bright one. A bit more schooling would have ironed Manny out, but as it stands he's a Valencia player for the next six years.

Im not angry at him. I really do feel sorry for the kid.

"He doesnt know what he's missing out on"

Great piece Macca, and all the best cobber

 

[Robert Jarvis]

No offence taken Monty, we all have points to make and whilst the FA, Home Office could have done better it has to be said the club are not blameless, IMO homework should have been done. As for Manny do you not think the club would have known the pitfalls, look back to January when they got the player on loan the same ground would have been covered.

As for Tevez he was not owned by 2 parties but by MSI who have in effect loaned him to the manure and manny was owned by two parties, a little difference there.

There is no denying though that when it comes to transfers, Everton's way of doing things is a nail biting experience.

The emails were hilarious forgot to reply with all the goings on.

 

[Great Dane]

1 Another viewpoint to the manny fiasco. If it had been the other way round and Everton had stolen the player from under Valencia's nose, you would all be saying, Well done, get in there. So don't blame the Spanish club for taking advantage of a situation that the Everton board had allowed to develop. It was well known that Everton were after Manny for a few weeks now so why did it take so long. Never mind the FA for dragging their feet but look a bit nearer home.

! Robert we have been mates for sometime and I certainly hope that we remain so after this but I cannot sit back and let this thread go by without a rebuttal. You say ‘never mind the FA dragging their feet’ why, they did without question I must therefore ask why you wish to ignore a fundamental truth, is it simply to garnish your tirade. We only became aware that he was available about three and a half weeks ago, he had been toted around Europe to clubs his owners thought may afford the price, Valencia having been one of them.

2 The Everton board and transfers are like oil and water. The policy of the management seems to be to offer a ludicrous amount to a club for a player to be allowed to leave and then act with shock when it is rejected. So the saga starts with the club niggling and increasing the offer by negligible increments until they arrive at the figure the selling club wanted in the first place.

2 A fair and literal translation of this statement is pay the going price, you would be the first one on here moaning if the board did that and I would be right behind you. If this policy of yours was followed then we would have paid Boro one and half million more for Yakubu, unfortunately with no questions asked. It seems to me this point of yours is so nonsensical that you clearly haven’t thought your piece through.

3 Everton from memory must have spent about a fortnight with such antics in dealing with Benfica and why did they not sort the purchase of the MSI interest at the same time but apparently leaving it until they felt Manny was going to sign. Don't you think that the club should have talked to the FA weeks and weeks ago over the question of ownership after the Blades/Hammers mess before embarking on offers for Manny.

3 Excuse me, the club were negotiating with Benfica, the PL, his owners and watching what model was acceptable to the PL for the Tevez transfer, would you prefer us to become another West Ham bunch of liars, they did it the only way possible, the right way.

4 Now there is another mess which we are witnessing the subject of a work permit for Yak. Well how is it he was allowed to play some games for Boro from the start of the season. Here is another situation with Everton make low offers initially and eventually coming to Boro's valaution, weeks wasted. In addition why did the board not sort out the subject of a work permit before, had Boro not told them about this. Everton will find out on Wednesday but if it is no then that leaves just 2 days before the window closes, what a F...... mess.

4 You know as well as I do that both clubs employ solicitors and accountants to check these matters, a fair person would therefore assume that both parties expected few problems however you, like myself, should be well aware that government departments can delay things, rulings can sit on tables pending decisions and after all this is in a period of three weeks, so why are you blaming EFC I find that quite astonishing and I don’t want us to sign the guy

5 We are now 41/2 days to the end of the window, I think if we miss Yak then there will be no other signings and we will go with what we have until January when the season is half over.

5 We have signed two current English internationals and a German international keeper so far this summer, I think we’ll survive and I have my fingers crossed that we don’t sign the Yak.

6 Rather than point the finger at The FA, Valencia, Benfica, Home Office we should look at the ineptitude of the Board and CEO.

6 Rather than point the finger at the Board and CEO we should look at the duplicity of The FA, Benfica, his owners and Home Office

I trust that no insult is taken here mate but I could not believe that you would feel so biased against the Board and club who after all is said and done were trying to sign a player the fans worshipped. Why on earth anyone should see fit to castigate them in this fashion for doing their very best is beyond me, and I'll still sending you the e-mails

I agree with your points Monty - don't blame the club, IMO they have tried to do everything by the book so that there would'nt be any complications later on. I blame Manny for this - he could have rejected Valencia and kept his word to EFC.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Monty so you hope that we do not sign Yak, any particular reason?