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Time To Break FFP?

Is it time to take the hit and break FFP?

  • Yes

    Votes: 153 70.2%
  • No

    Votes: 51 23.4%
  • Maybe (give Brands 1 more window)

    Votes: 14 6.4%

  • Total voters
    218
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What are you talking about

Our fans propensity to disbelieve any sort of good news, and in some cases go out of their way to make up reasons why the club would somehow be unable to take advantage of legitimate and available mechanisms of investment.

Like claiming we would somehow be punished 10 times harder than anyone else on the grounds of being Everton. Or the claims that we are skint and won’t be able to do much business this summer, when our de facto owner is wealthier than Roman Abramovich.

It’s an extension of the 'Everton That' mentality; a term that is being used to describe the conscious belief that the very nature of Everton is that of failure.
 
But rules exist on the basis of people's consent. Thats whats been missed by LFC and MUFC fans. They require consent. This vengeful approach of UEFA doesn't work. You have to build consensus. They seem to think UEFA should act as an attack dog to defend their privilege. That has been completely exposed.

People broadly support that rule, but if it were challenged, it would fall, so football tries to do what it can to avoid provoking a challenge. The same has to be with FFP now. Do we really want to be penalising clubs for securing sponsorship deals? That needs to be knocked on the head. Go after teams with big wage bills and huges debts, thats where the crooks are.

Interestingly yet disturbingly, I believe plans are a foot to modernise FFP by UEFA, in some of the draft proposals a “super tax“ is being suggested for rich owners who want to invest beyond the newly devised thresholds. If it comes to pass, it’s finally gone public, that football is dead as a sport, cash is king and we’re just lemmings, pumping the meter for a food pellet.

Uefa is zero self awareness shocker.
 
Our fans propensity to disbelieve any sort of good news, and in some cases go out of their way to make up reasons why the club would somehow be unable to take advantage of legitimate and available mechanisms of investment.

Like claiming we would somehow be punished 10 times harder than anyone else on the grounds of being Everton. Or the claims that we are skint and won’t be able to do much business this summer, when our de facto owner is wealthier than Roman Abramovich.

It’s an extension of the 'Everton That' mentality; a term that is being used to describe the conscious belief that the very nature of Everton is that of failure.

It needs changing
 
Our fans propensity to disbelieve any sort of good news, and in some cases go out of their way to make up reasons why the club would somehow be unable to take advantage of legitimate and available mechanisms of investment.

Like claiming we would somehow be punished 10 times harder than anyone else on the grounds of being Everton. Or the claims that we are skint and won’t be able to do much business this summer, when our de facto owner is wealthier than Roman Abramovich.

It’s an extension of the 'Everton That' mentality; a term that is being used to describe the conscious belief that the very nature of Everton is that of failure.

Well said mate. Agree totally.
 

Interestingly yet disturbingly, I believe plans are a foot to modernise FFP by UEFA, in some of the draft proposals a “super tax“ is being suggested for rich owners who want to invest beyond the newly devised thresholds. If it comes to pass, it’s finally gone public, that football is dead as a sport, cash is king and we’re just lemmings, pumping the meter for a food pellet.

Uefa is zero self awareness shocker.

I'm sure they will have some wacky ideas. The question though has to go beyond- what do UEFA want to what can be justified in an impartial court.

I also don't agree with the final point. We can continue to spend decent money, and at the very least there is now more flexibility than 1 week ago (at the most cautious conclusion). Likewise we have a wealthy owner, so maybe he will just pay a fine and spend massively? Who knows?

I've got no idea what UEFA will do. It's another stupid idea. In a world where racism, sexism, homophobia get minimal fines, you are going to give far larger fines to a club who commit the crime of spending money, within the game of football? However they have devised a ridiculous system, full of not only flaws, but inherently and structurally wrong. That takes some doing if you have 5 years to devise something.

This ought to be the question UEFA ask, you spent 5 years and copious amounts of money devising a system that doesn't stack up in court legally, has made the game more unequal, has led to more teams going out of business and created far more of the existing problems it sought to solve. That takes some doing. It would almost be hard to do that if you tried.

When you're dealing with an organisation who is capable of doing that, anything is possible I suppose.
 
Hmmm... Indirectly supporting City not getting punished for breaking FFP?



I think this is very very telling to me. Firstly Newcastle, who we believe are in the midst of a takeover ready to be announced 2 months ago and splash loads of money want FFP further tightened. Interesting Wolves as well who we were told would spend massive money. Then Everton not being on the list, is fascinating. If you were being objective, you would say it was quite strong evidence Everton were happy for City to be let off, and probably quite keen to spend heavily.
 
Isn't FFP suspended for the next season? Wonder what will be excuses for our lack of activity on the market.
 

I think this is very very telling to me. Firstly Newcastle, who we believe are in the midst of a takeover ready to be announced 2 months ago and splash loads of money want FFP further tightened. Interesting Wolves as well who we were told would spend massive money. Then Everton not being on the list, is fascinating. If you were being objective, you would say it was quite strong evidence Everton were happy for City to be let off, and probably quite keen to spend heavily.

Wolves will be happy with FFP as they benefit more from Mendes giving them players rather than needing to throw money around.

Im at the stage where im not arsed anymore about punishment - these last few seasons have been more turd than anything UEFA could throw at us.

Spend whats needed, take a fine & if UEFA push us too harshly take FFP to the courts and get it squashed - would love EFC to go down in history as the club to get it ended.
 
Our fans propensity to disbelieve any sort of good news, and in some cases go out of their way to make up reasons why the club would somehow be unable to take advantage of legitimate and available mechanisms of investment.

Like claiming we would somehow be punished 10 times harder than anyone else on the grounds of being Everton. Or the claims that we are skint and won’t be able to do much business this summer, when our de facto owner is wealthier than Roman Abramovich.

It’s an extension of the 'Everton That' mentality; a term that is being used to describe the conscious belief that the very nature of Everton is that of failure.

Probably more down to all the false dawns we seem to go through mate.
 
FFP isn't fit for purpose really. I agree with Mourhinio if Man City have done nothing wrong why have they still been fined?

I'm no expert on the subject, but the whole thing seems a bit cak. How can it be OK for Man Utds owners to borrow hundreds of millions of pounds against future earnings leaving one of the biggest clubs in the world in enormous debt, yet Man City has no debt what so ever, but they are the bad guys?
 
FFP isn't fit for purpose really. I agree with Mourhinio if Man City have done nothing wrong why have they still been fined?

I'm no expert on the subject, but the whole thing seems a bit cak. How can it be OK for Man Utds owners to borrow hundreds of millions of pounds against future earnings leaving one of the biggest clubs in the world in enormous debt, yet Man City has no debt what so ever, but they are the bad guys?

They have been fined for not cooperating with Uefa's investigation... nothing to do with the allegations of financial doping. They where within their right to do this, specially when Uefa based a lot of their case on a hack.

Huge difference, and I presume Jose knows this.

Its like being arrested for murder, and resisting arrest... to be cleared for the murder but still guilty for resisting arrest.
 
No other business owner in the World is restricted in how much they can invest in their business to improve it, except for football clubs in Europe.

Ridiculous.
 

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