To be a "big club"

[trueblue84]

After watching city bottle it tonight, it got me thinking about what it takes to be a "big club" and how long, realistically, it would take Everton to regularly challenge, even with ancelotti?

This season, despite all the craziness of the league and being mostly crap, the rs and Chelsea somehow managed to get into the top 4 when it mattered. Leicester couldn't do what seemed a formality. Then there's us and spurs, who are becoming the epitome of bottling it.

City looked a certainty to win the champions League before tonight but despite pep's awful team selection, even their regulars looked out of their depth. I then looked at Chelsea and abramovic bought them in 2003, but they only won the champions League in 2012.

So, does it really take a decade of building to change a club's mentality?

 

[davek]

We're miles off.

An utter midden of a club kidding itself all you need is a new stadium to hit the big time.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

There's a cartel in football now, I don't think we will ever get to them heights again unfortunately, that's why part of me wanted the ESL to happen, football needs a reset and I'd still be going to watch Everton even if we're a non league side, the only people that would suffer and kick off are the TV glory hunting rats that have destroyed the game

 

[davek]

There's a cartel in football now, I don't think we will ever get to them heights again unfortunately, that's why part of me wanted the ESL to happen, football needs a reset and I'd still be going to watch Everton even if we're a non league side, the only people that would suffer and kick off are the TV glory hunting rats that have destroyed the game

I was gutted it didn't.

Sideline that off in a circus and get some trophies at last.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

I was gutted it didn't.

Sideline that off in a circus and get some trophies at last.

People saying it would destroy the English game like the prem is the be all and end all and we can never kick a ball again, Everton belongs to Evertonians and if Evertonians had to start a new then that's what would happen, reckon I'd enjoy it more too to be fair, actual competition that you've got half a chance of doing something in

 

[Toast]

Our ground could, and it’s only could change it.
Needs to be built first like, so we’re years away already, by which time the game will no doubt look completely different with a newer version of a Super League that Sky Sports are actually involved in and would therefore be backed off the boards by them and their pundit ‘staff’.

 

[trueblue84]

We're miles off.

An utter midden of a club kidding itself all you need is a new stadium to hit the big time.

How do we change it, though? Is it the owners, the players, the manager or the fans? Or is it all of them?

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

There's a cartel in football now, I don't think we will ever get to them heights again unfortunately, that's why part of me wanted the ESL to happen, football needs a reset and I'd still be going to watch Everton even if we're a non league side, the only people that would suffer and kick off are the TV glory hunting rats that have destroyed the game

Salary cap. That ultimately is the answer (as simplistic as it sounds).

The prime reason for the ESL was for the top clubs to make money. They are currently haemorrhaging vast swathes of money due to escalating costs, primarily extortionate wages. The pandemic has exacerbated matters as there is less income to counter increasing costs. Get wages under control, all clubs (not just the top) will be stable and will then cut their cloth accordingly.

Regards what constitutes a big club, mentality. Chelsea are established as a big club as everyone there demands success. Two European Cups puts them right up Arsenal’s backside in terms of size/stature. You could argue they now eclipse them as a London’s biggest club (personally I wouldn’t).

 

[trueblue84]

There's a cartel in football now, I don't think we will ever get to them heights again unfortunately, that's why part of me wanted the ESL to happen, football needs a reset and I'd still be going to watch Everton even if we're a non league side, the only people that would suffer and kick off are the TV glory hunting rats that have destroyed the game

I think the cartel can be broken. City are getting there and will eventually win it, but it seems that it takes longer than most fans would be willing to accept.

The evidence seems to suggest 10 years of a consistent culture (and investment).

 

[Toast]

Salary cap. That ultimately is the answer (as simplistic as it sounds).

The prime reason for the ESL was for the top clubs to make money. They are currently haemorrhaging vast swathes of money due to escalating costs, primarily extortionate wages. The pandemic has exacerbated matters as there is less income to counter increasing costs. Get wages under control, all clubs (not just the top) will be stable and will then cut their cloth accordingly.

Regards what constitutes a big club, mentality. Chelsea are established as a big club as everyone there demands success. Two European Cups puts them right up Arsenal’s backside in terms of size/stature. You could argue they now eclipse them as a London’s biggest club (personally I wouldn’t).

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

How do we change it, though? Is it the owners, the players, the manager or the fans? Or is it all of them?

We can't change it, there is no way we compete at the level of Chelsea,City,RS, Utd anymore, by the time we've spent a fraction of what it needs to catch them they will have moved ten steps further, the league and game is locked now, we're in the survive and get good cup runs and head pats catagory unfortunately, atleast were not in the West brom yoyo catagory

 

[N.S.N.O.]

I was gutted it didn't.

Sideline that off in a circus and get some trophies at last.

People saying it would destroy the English game like the prem is the be all and end all and we can never kick a ball again, Everton belongs to Evertonians and if Evertonians had to start a new then that's what would happen, reckon I'd enjoy it more too to be fair, actual competition that you've got half a chance of doing something in

We really struggle to break down the weaker teams in the league, so sadly I was worried we had more chance of being relegated from the new league than winning it...

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Salary cap. That ultimately is the answer (as simplistic as it sounds).

The prime reason for the ESL was for the top clubs to make money. They are currently haemorrhaging vast swathes of money due to escalating costs, primarily extortionate wages. The pandemic has exacerbated matters as there is less income to counter increasing costs. Get wages under control, all clubs (not just the top) will be stable and will then cut their cloth accordingly.

Regards what constitutes a big club, mentality. Chelsea are established as a big club as everyone there demands success. Two European Cups puts them right up Arsenal’s backside in terms of size/stature. You could argue they now eclipse them as a London’s biggest club (personally I wouldn’t).

Yeah, to be fair, wage caps would be an answer but can anyone see that coming in in the near future

 

[KaiserEFC]

If you can’t see that as long as football stays as it is then we will never be successful again the. I don’t really know what to say.

A new stadium ain’t going to change anything either. Athletic Club for example have one of the very best stadiums in the entire world and they suddenly haven’t become a colossus.

 

[wm02]

I think Everton, with its current structure, would continue to struggle even with a wage cap. Maybe even slide further down the table.
In leagues with a salary cap like the NFL, success depends on a strong, well-running organization: finding talent, developing talent, coaching.
The academy, physio/fitness and scouting would need to improve considerably