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Today’s Football 2019/20 Season

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Old Blue 2 said:
Just watched Match of the day, and was intrigued by the Wolves disallowed goal.

Here's the Youtube vid (go to 0:30).


The corner kick taker plays the ball directly to the player who was deemed offside by VAR.

OK

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
  • a goal kick
  • a throw-in
  • a corner kick
So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker.

It beggars belief, it really does...
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It's the corner taker on the return pass who is offside mate, his trailing boot is what the line is drawn from.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Just watched Match of the day, and was intrigued by the Wolves disallowed goal.

Here's the Youtube vid (go to 0:30).


The corner kick taker plays the ball directly to the player who was deemed offside by VAR.

OK

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
  • a goal kick
  • a throw-in
  • a corner kick
So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker.

It beggars belief, it really does...
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How does the corner kick part of that work? Can you cross the ball in from a corner to someone offside and it still counts?
 
Nymzee said:
How does the corner kick part of that work? Can you cross the ball in from a corner to someone offside and it still counts?
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There is no offside directly from a corner because it would be far too difficult to judge if someone was offside, and would hamper the actual taking of a free kick.

The ruling allows an offensive player to be on the line with the keeper etc., while a defender doesn't have to be on the line. He's offside as it's not a direct corner.
 

daza_1973 said:
Yes, the lanky RS buffoon doing BBC breakfast sport this morning was far too busy creaming his kecks and goading Roger johnson (city fan) to even mention it.
Another media whitewash.........
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Defender does that to Mane it's a pen...or fume about why it wasn't.

The idea there "was nothing in it" is ridiculous.
 
Big_nev said:
It's the corner taker on the return pass who is offside mate, his trailing boot is what the line is drawn from.
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I take what you mean.

However the blue line obscures where Jota's heel is, and Jota is the onside line (not the defender) as he received the ball direct from a corner, as we know. Decision still stinks, to me, for that reason...
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Just watched Match of the day, and was intrigued by the Wolves disallowed goal.

Here's the Youtube vid (go to 0:30).


The corner kick taker plays the ball directly to the player who was deemed offside by VAR.

OK

Here's the offside rule with relation to a corner kick:
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
  • a goal kick
  • a throw-in
  • a corner kick
So, we have a situation where the person in the VAR room doesn't even know how to apply the offside rule with regard to a corner.

The VAR decision was 100% wrong because the player receiving the ball COULD NOT be offside because he got it direct from the corner kick taker.

It beggars belief, it really does...
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Or, the VAR official was correct and the commentator and person on the internet actually got it wrong.

I would say that there is no way a qualified official would make a mistake like that but i did see a vid the other day where an offside was actually given directly from a corner so mistakes do happen of course. But in this case it's pretty obvious that the offside wasn't given against Jota when he received the ball from the corner taker (Neto i believe) but was given against Neto when he received the ball back from Jota, therefor the pass being from open play not directly from a corner.

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It's Neto on the touchline with the reddish boot thats given offside, not Jota in front of the defender. I know the lines aren't level with the actual player but i believe those red and blue lines aren't the actual ones VAR use but are added on for TV viewers to make them clearer.
 
Seamus Colemole said:
Or, the VAR official was correct and the commentator and person on the internet actually got it wrong.

I would say that there is no way a qualified official would make a mistake like that but i did see a vid the other day where an offside was actually given directly from a corner so mistakes do happen of course. But in this case it's pretty obvious that the offside wasn't given against Jota when he received the ball from the corner taker (Neto i believe) but was given against Neto when he received the ball back from Jota, therefor the pass being from open play not directly from a corner.

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It's Neto on the touchline with the reddish boot thats given offside, not Jota in front of the defender. I know the lines aren't level with the actual player but i believe those red and blue lines aren't the actual ones VAR use but are added on for TV viewers to make them clearer.
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I understand that, from the angle of your still frame.

However, having looked at the vid again, it is clear that the VAR decision is based on the camera angle being 100% in line with the goal line, NOT in line with the Leicester player, Jota and Neto. Take a look at the vid and pause it at 1:03. You will see what I mean. Here's a screen print of it:
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All in all, it adds to the debate regarding the veracity and usefulness of VAR...
 

Seamus Colemole said:
Or, the VAR official was correct and the commentator and person on the internet actually got it wrong.

I would say that there is no way a qualified official would make a mistake like that but i did see a vid the other day where an offside was actually given directly from a corner so mistakes do happen of course. But in this case it's pretty obvious that the offside wasn't given against Jota when he received the ball from the corner taker (Neto i believe) but was given against Neto when he received the ball back from Jota, therefor the pass being from open play not directly from a corner.

View attachment 79154

It's Neto on the touchline with the reddish boot thats given offside, not Jota in front of the defender. I know the lines aren't level with the actual player but i believe those red and blue lines aren't the actual ones VAR use but are added on for TV viewers to make them clearer.
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But is that a clear & obvious error from the linesman in real time? Murky definition of clear.
 
Nymzee said:
But is that a clear & obvious error from the linesman in real time? Murky definition of clear.
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Absolutely not, no. But for some reason English officials are using a zero tolerance approach to offside rather than if it's clear and obvious as in the protocol. Maybe cause they share the same feeling as me that offside is factual so if you're off you're off (technological issues aside). All the talk about having a 10cm buffer will just create the same problems but with the line in a different place.

Old Blue 2 said:
I understand that, from the angle of your still frame.

However, having looked at the vid again, it is clear that the VAR decision is based on the camera angle being 100% in line with the goal line, NOT in line with the Leicester player, Jota and Neto. Take a look at the vid and pause it at 1:03. You will see what I mean. Here's a screen print of it:
Rkichfu.jpg


All in all, it adds to the debate regarding the veracity and usefulness of VAR...
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Fair do's, but thats different to your original post when you criticised the VAR official for being wrong in law over offside from a corner, when he wasn't. I don't mind criticism of the way they use technology, camera angles, which still they use and how they draw the lines etc etc but people criticising officials when they are actually right is a bugbear of mine.
 
Seamus Colemole said:
Absolutely not, no. But for some reason English officials are using a zero tolerance approach to offside rather than if it's clear and obvious as in the protocol. Maybe cause they share the same feeling as me that offside is factual so if you're off you're off (technological issues aside). All the talk about having a 10cm buffer will just create the same problems but with the line in a different place.



Fair do's, but thats different to your original post when you criticised the VAR official for being wrong in law over offside from a corner, when he wasn't. I don't mind criticism of the way they use technology, camera angles, which still they use and how they draw the lines etc etc but people criticising officials when they are actually right is a bugbear of mine.
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I have conceded that.

But where is the ball on that still frame I have shown? Has it already been played, or is it about to be played? What happens in that split second between the two?

Just playing devil's advocate here to highlight just how difficult (and also flawed) VAR is at present.
 

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