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Today’s Football 2021/22 Season

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NathDogg said:
There's so much evidence pointing to doping it's unreal, aside from the mad winning streaks they put together.

Look at the players the rs and city sign - not world class but decent players on their own, never setting the world on fire but ok, average - Bernardo Silva, walker, de bryne, Salah, mane, Jota, Diaz, Rat face Robertson, coutino etc.

When they get them they ain't pulling up trees, then a few weeks later they look completely different players - fitter, faster, quicker, more stamina, zero drop off in performance playing 2 or 3 times a week - it's a marked increase, just due to boss training methods and zany, chirpy, upbeat managers apparently?

Then look at the players performance drop off when they leave said clubs - coutino being the prime example - it's night and day how bad/unfit/poor they go, and reeks of ped use.

He's still not right at villa (getting better, but not where he was at the rs) and were expected to believe that it's only because he's missing reichsfuhrer Shippmanns finger up his bum in the changies now and again and a few hugs off him on the training pitch - do me a favour.
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Dont know about you but thats what I tell the missus if she wants me up bright and early doing house chores lol
 
NathDogg said:
Excellent, would read again, thanks.
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How can you say people like De Bruyne, Salah, Diaz etc. were "okay, average" before joining City and Liverpool? They were great players, performing in European competitions, coveted by many teams & signed for big fees. Just because they've ended up amazing doesn't mean they're juiced up it's just maybe, maybe some teams in the world know how to train talent to get better?

It's just embarrassing to think that's going on with the players you listed just because they got good at teams you dislike.

"okay, average" players don't go for £40m+ fees for no reason.
 
Nymzee said:
How can you say people like De Bruyne, Salah, Diaz etc. were "okay, average" before joining City and Liverpool? They were great players, performing in European competitions, coveted by many teams & signed for big fees. Just because they've ended up amazing doesn't mean they're juiced up it's just maybe, maybe some teams in the world know how to train talent to get better?

It's just embarrassing to think that's going on with the players you listed just because they got good at teams you dislike.

"okay, average" players don't go for £40m+ fees for no reason.
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we signed Sigurdsson for over £40m
 
NathDogg said:
There's so much evidence pointing to doping it's unreal, aside from the mad winning streaks they put together.

Look at the players the rs and city sign - not world class but decent players on their own, never setting the world on fire but ok, average - Bernardo Silva, walker, de bryne, Salah, mane, Jota, Diaz, Rat face Robertson, coutino etc.

When they get them they ain't pulling up trees, then a few weeks later they look completely different players - fitter, faster, quicker, more stamina, zero drop off in performance playing 2 or 3 times a week - it's a marked increase, just due to boss training methods and zany, chirpy, upbeat managers apparently?

Then look at the players performance drop off when they leave said clubs - coutino being the prime example - it's night and day how bad/unfit/poor they go, and reeks of ped use.

He's still not right at villa (getting better, but not where he was at the rs) and were expected to believe that it's only because he's missing reichsfuhrer Shippmanns finger up his bum in the changies now and again and a few hugs off him on the training pitch - do me a favour.
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Coutinho was massively overrated is really the only issue with him. He wasn't ever that good
 

Nymzee said:
Thank for you listing the odd player that comes into this league for big money, to neither team in this discussion, that doesn't work out.

Although he is very much working out right now, albeit in a different position, and will boss us tonight if he's fit.
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I gave you 2 examples of 2 average players who cost £40m . they Have been plenty of other duds. Ask united
 

Nymzee said:
How can you say people like De Bruyne, Salah, Diaz etc. were "okay, average" before joining City and Liverpool? They were great players, performing in European competitions, coveted by many teams & signed for big fees. Just because they've ended up amazing doesn't mean they're juiced up it's just maybe, maybe some teams in the world know how to train talent to get better?

It's just embarrassing to think that's going on with the players you listed just because they got good at teams you dislike.

"okay, average" players don't go for £40m+ fees for no reason.
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I never said they weren't decent players before they signed for the dopers, but they certainly were not great players - they were ok players, doing decent and showing ok-ish form in some bang average leagues.

Sadly, Ok average players do go for big fees - haven't you been watching Evertons transfer policy in recent - Iceland, iwobi, tosun etc?!

Thinking about it, I'll give you Kdb - he was in decent nick for Wolfsburg tbh, so my bad on him.

Look at Salah - can't get a kick for Chelsea, goes on loan to italy, scores a handful of goals for fiorentina then Roma - nothing to suggest he is going to explode form and goal-wise, the way he has for the rs.

Diaz looked like hed never seen a football for Porto in the cl this season imo, absolutley anonymous - two weeks at the rs and he's flying?

What's your thoughts on the rise and fall of coutino? Just one of those things, bad luck etc?
 
NathDogg said:
I never said they weren't decent players before they signed for the dopers, but they certainly were not great players - they were ok players, doing decent and showing ok-ish form in some bang average leagues.

Sadly, Ok average players do go for big fees - haven't you been watching Evertons transfer policy in recent - Iceland, iwobi, tosun etc?!

Thinking about it, I'll give you Kdb - he was in decent nick for Wolfsburg tbh, so my bad on him.

Look at Salah - can't get a kick for Chelsea, goes on loan to italy, scores a handful of goals for fiorentina then Roma - nothing to suggest e is going to explode form and goal-wise, the way he has for the rs.

Diaz looked like hed never seen a football for Porto in the cl this season imo, absolutley anonymous - two weeks at the rs and he's flying?

What's your thoughts on the rise and fall of coutino? Just one of those things, bad luck etc?
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I mean you absolutely did say that: "never setting the world on fire but ok, average - Bernardo Silva, walker, de bryne, Salah, mane, Jota, Diaz, Rat face Robertson, coutino etc."

Bernardo Silva: Instrumental in Monaco reaching CL semi-final and winning Monaco first league title in 17 years before he signed for over £40m.
Kyle Walker: 2x PFA team of the year right-back at Spurs before signing for over £45m. Was he not just as fast and fit there before they signed him?
De Bruyne: Pulled up silly numbers in Germany before signing for over £50m and showing the same form in the PL straight away.
Salah: Murdered teams in the CL before Chelsea signed him, lots of loans out, had nearly a 1-in-2 goal ratio at Roma before signing for the RS for nearly £40m.
Mane: Ripped up the PL with Saints, terrorising full-backs with his pace before signing for them for over £30m.

I could go on but the point is these were not just "ok" "never setting the world on fire" "average" players that were signed and magically became amazing and super fit. The fact is most people don't watch football players until they get to the PL so they have no real way of comparing them before and after.

Sadly you just have to say: hats off, well scouted, well coached. We've spent millions on tosh, they have too but some of them really came off. These players weren't slow and unfit before they joined the top 2 teams but you'd know that if you knew them beforehand. Leeds consistently run further and sprint more than these teams but are never once accused of doping.

Re: Coutinho? I honestly never thought was as good as everyone said anyway and was gobsmacked at the Barcelona move. He's also doing really well at Villa now, are they juicing him up?
 
NathDogg said:
I never said they weren't decent players before they signed for the dopers, but they certainly were not great players - they were ok players, doing decent and showing ok-ish form in some bang average leagues.

Sadly, Ok average players do go for big fees - haven't you been watching Evertons transfer policy in recent - Iceland, iwobi, tosun etc?!

Thinking about it, I'll give you Kdb - he was in decent nick for Wolfsburg tbh, so my bad on him.

Look at Salah - can't get a kick for Chelsea, goes on loan to italy, scores a handful of goals for fiorentina then Roma - nothing to suggest he is going to explode form and goal-wise, the way he has for the rs.

Diaz looked like hed never seen a football for Porto in the cl this season imo, absolutley anonymous - two weeks at the rs and he's flying?

What's your thoughts on the rise and fall of coutino? Just one of those things, bad luck etc?
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Maybe it’s just down to excellent coaching
 

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